Change the color of the "revealed" maneuver -- what triggers/resolves?

By Wazat, in X-Wing Rules Questions

So I searched the forums a bit for an answer and got some varying results, and it raised even more interesting questions. Research into cool stuff often does. ^_^ But these questions are fundamental to how abilities trigger, so I'd like to understand the answers thoroughly so I can use them well (and be able to defend my conclusions if challenged -- very important to understand the underlying rules well).

Let's say we have this ship: An ARC-170 (let's say Norra) equips Stay on Target and BB-8, plus Sabine Wren crew and Seismic Charges.

Question 1) Norra reveals a green forward 2. This triggers SoT, the bomb, and BB-8 in any order I choose, right?

1a) If she chooses to resolve BB-8 first, then SoT second, then the bomb, I assume she gets to barrel roll first, then SoT her maneuver into a red turn, then drop the bomb in her new post-barrel-roll position. Then she performs her red maneuver, gains stress, etc.

1b) If instead she SoTs it to a red turn, then tries to activate BB-8, then drop the bomb, will BB-8 fail to resolve because the "revealed" maneuver is no longer red? Or once triggered, do I get to fully resolve an ability it even if conditions change in the mean time?

Question 2) Norra instead swaps Sabine for Navigator. She reveals a red forward 4, triggering SoT and Navigator.

If she navigates it to a green forward 1, can she then trigger and resolve BB-8? Or will BB-8 never trigger because the time window for triggering it passed, even though she now meets its requirements?

Question 3) Norra is stressed, and reveals a green forward 2 (she can't BB-8 by any means, because she's stressed). She decides to Navigate this to a red forward 4, and/or Stay on Target it to a red turn.

Does this trigger the rule that says her maneuver becomes a white 2 straight? If not, does she simply not perform any maneuver?

Question 4) Norra is stressed, and reveals a red forward 2, which must now become a white forward 2 that cannot change color etc. The Kanan Jarrus crew is camping out in a nearby ship. He should be able to reduce her stress when she performs the white maneuver, right?

Question 5) Norra equips Experimental Interface, Seismic Torpedo, BB-8, and SoT (Norra, make up your mind!). She is not stressed and reveals a green straight 2 maneuver, triggering BB-8 and SoT. She BB-8s first, then experimental interfaces to fire the torpedo and gain a stress token. Naturally she chooses a close asteroid and crits herself with the explosion, drawing Thrust Control Fire and gaining another stress. Then she resolves Stay on Target and rotates her maneuver to a red bank, while she is very stressed.

I assume this is similar to question 3, and depends on its answer? Because SoT doesn't restrict you to only working while not stressed. The reason I mention the crit scenario is, there's lots of reasons you could stress yourself before staying on target to red (e.g. barrel roll onto a proximity mine, or Advanced Sensors + PTL), and I wonder what happens there.

Norra is probably becoming increasingly aggrieved from being used repeatedly for silly rules questions, so I guess we'll let her go for now. Before we regret it.

Can anyone help me decisively resolve these rules problems?

Answers in the quote...

Question 1) Norra reveals a green forward 2. This triggers SoT, the bomb, and BB-8 in any order I choose, right?

Yes.

1a) If she chooses to resolve BB-8 first, then SoT second, then the bomb, I assume she gets to barrel roll first, then SoT her maneuver into a red turn, then drop the bomb in her new post-barrel-roll position. Then she performs her red maneuver, gains stress, etc.

Yes.

1b) If instead she SoTs it to a red turn, then tries to activate BB-8, then drop the bomb, will BB-8 fail to resolve because the "revealed" maneuver is no longer red? Or once triggered, do I get to fully resolve an ability it even if conditions change in the mean time?

BB-8 cannot resolve if you are stressed.

Question 2) Norra instead swaps Sabine for Navigator. She reveals a red forward 4, triggering SoT and Navigator.

If she navigates it to a green forward 1, can she then trigger and resolve BB-8? Or will BB-8 never trigger because the time window for triggering it passed, even though she now meets its requirements?

BB-8 will not trigger as you did not reveal a green maneuver.

Question 3) Norra is stressed, and reveals a green forward 2 (she can't BB-8 by any means, because she's stressed). She decides to Navigate this to a red forward 4, and/or Stay on Target it to a red turn.

Does this trigger the rule that says her maneuver becomes a white 2 straight? If not, does she simply not perform any maneuver?

She cannot use Navigator to turn it into a red maneuver if she is stressed, as per Navigator's card text.

Stay on Target can cause the maneuver to be changed to a red one. If you are stressed, you would perform a white 2-straight instead.

Question 4) Norra is stressed, and reveals a red forward 2, which must now become a white forward 2 that cannot change color etc. The Kanan Jarrus crew is camping out in a nearby ship. He should be able to reduce her stress when she performs the white maneuver, right?

I'm assuming she reveals a non-straight 2-speed maneuver and changes it to a red 2-straight via SoT, since she can't actually reveal a red maneuver.

Yes, Kanan can reduce her stress after a white maneuver.

Question 5) Norra equips Experimental Interface, Seismic Torpedo, BB-8, and SoT (Norra, make up your mind!). She is not stressed and reveals a green straight 2 maneuver, triggering BB-8 and SoT. She BB-8s first, then experimental interfaces to fire the torpedo and gain a stress token. Naturally she chooses a close asteroid and crits herself with the explosion, drawing Thrust Control Fire and gaining another stress. Then she resolves Stay on Target and rotates her maneuver to a red bank, while she is very stressed.

I assume this is similar to question 3, and depends on its answer? Because SoT doesn't restrict you to only working while not stressed. The reason I mention the crit scenario is, there's lots of reasons you could stress yourself before staying on target to red (e.g. barrel roll onto a proximity mine, or Advanced Sensors + PTL), and I wonder what happens there.

If you are stressed and Stay on Target made your maneuver red, you perform a white 2-straight.

I'm going to disagree with Klutz on a couple of these.

1b) If instead she SoTs it to a red turn, then tries to activate BB-8, then drop the bomb, will BB-8 fail to resolve because the "revealed" maneuver is no longer red? Or once triggered, do I get to fully resolve an ability it even if conditions change in the mean time?

BB-8 cannot resolve if you are stressed.

Question 2) Norra instead swaps Sabine for Navigator. She reveals a red forward 4, triggering SoT and Navigator.

If she navigates it to a green forward 1, can she then trigger and resolve BB-8? Or will BB-8 never trigger because the time window for triggering it passed, even though she now meets its requirements?

BB-8 will not trigger as you did not reveal a green maneuver.

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Question 4) Norra is stressed, and reveals a red forward 2, which must now become a white forward 2 that cannot change color etc. The Kanan Jarrus crew is camping out in a nearby ship. He should be able to reduce her stress when she performs the white maneuver, right?

I'm assuming she reveals a non-straight 2-speed maneuver and changes it to a red 2-straight via SoT, since she can't actually reveal a red maneuver.

Everything else Klutz said, I endorse.

As far as I can tell the wise owl is correct.

I'm going to disagree with Klutz on a couple of these.

1b) If instead she SoTs it to a red turn, then tries to activate BB-8, then drop the bomb, will BB-8 fail to resolve because the "revealed" maneuver is no longer red? Or once triggered, do I get to fully resolve an ability it even if conditions change in the mean time?

BB-8 cannot resolve if you are stressed.

I don't think she's starting stressed. If she doesn't start stressed, and she reveals a green maneuver but then chooses to SoT it into something else before trying to resolve BB-8, BB-8 won't resolve, because the maneuver is now red.

Darn, I misread that one, my bad.

I was thinking of the case where Norra gets stressed during her activation somehow (like in Question 5).

Question 2) Norra instead swaps Sabine for Navigator. She reveals a red forward 4, triggering SoT and Navigator.

If she navigates it to a green forward 1, can she then trigger and resolve BB-8? Or will BB-8 never trigger because the time window for triggering it passed, even though she now meets its requirements?

BB-8 will not trigger as you did not reveal a green maneuver.

The reason Stay on Target and Navigator can work together the way they do is because you can resolve one, and then the second one treats whatever maneuver you wind up at as though it were always the maneuver you revealed. I don't see any reason to assume that BB-8 works differently, so I would think you can Navigator from a non-green maneuver to a green maneuver of the same bearing and then trigger BB-8.

Hmm... I'll have to look into this one. What you're saying makes sens.

Question 4) Norra is stressed, and reveals a red forward 2, which must now become a white forward 2 that cannot change color etc. The Kanan Jarrus crew is camping out in a nearby ship. He should be able to reduce her stress when she performs the white maneuver, right?

I'm assuming she reveals a non-straight 2-speed maneuver and changes it to a red 2-straight via SoT, since she can't actually reveal a red maneuver.

Sure she can. It just triggers the new mandatory white 2 straight. I agree that Kanan works, though.

Oops, I forgot a word in there. Meant to say: "since she can't actually reveal a red 2-straight maneuver."

Everything else Klutz said, I endorse.

:D

I'm assuming she reveals a non-straight 2-speed maneuver and changes it to a red 2-straight via SoT, since she can't actually reveal a red maneuver.

Sure she can. It just triggers the new mandatory white 2 straight. I agree that Kanan works, though.

Oops, I forgot a word in there. Meant to say: "since she can't actually reveal a red 2-straight maneuver."

Edited by digitalbusker

Looks like the general consensus is that changing your revealed maneuver causes all future resolving effects to treat the new one as your "revealed" maneuver, no matter what came before, and you can still trigger something that wasn't triggered with the old reveal. That makes it relatively straight forward. On the wiki we were discussing what would happen in a few combos, and this became a blocking issue.

Thanks!