So with the imminent launch of HotR, the recent launch of W9, and the new FAQ, I've been excited to give Rebel Regen another look. By my account, there are 4 ships that can be optimized for it:

Poe w/ R5P9

Corran w/ R2D2

Norra w/ R2D2

Miranda w/ TLT

Clearly you can't have Corran and Norra in the same list, as neither works particularly well with R5P9 (I suppose you could rig something for Norra via Kyle or Recon Spec, but it'd be less than optimal). While there used to be a debate regarding what droid was better on Poe, I think the addition of Pattern Analyzers makes R5P9 the clear winner. You can now K turn and Troll with no downside (short of needing to clear the stress the next turn). And I'm not too keen (for the moment at least) on grouping Norra and Miranda together. They share the same weakness of 1agi that dies to swarms, so I figured it'd be best to leave them apart for the moment.

Which brings me to the following two builds:

Poe8 w/ VI, R5P9, PA, AT

Norra w/ PTL, R2D2, C3PO, AO

Green w/ SS, Juke, AWTP, CR

Or

Poe9 w/ Pred, R5P9, PA, AT

Norra w/ PTL, R2D2, C3PO, AO, VT

Proto w/ CR

The advantage of list 1 is PS10 on Poe, and the Green has snap shot and Juke. The be advantage to list 2 is that Poe can now modify his blanks via a predator reroll, and Norra gains the BR action to help her become more mobile.

I've played a few games thus far with list 1, and Snap Shot hasn't been as effective as I would like. Though it has drawn the ire of my opponent - all of them have gone for the poor A wing first. But often times I wished I could adjust Norra's position, and Poe seems to love to roll Hit Blank Hit for me almost every attack, and 2 hits might as well be 0 hits in today's meta.

So I open it up to the community here - what are your thoughts on these two lists, what do you see that I don't, and is there a 3rd option that I haven't considered above?

Norra without tailgunner is just really low on damage while norra without biggs is really easy to focus

Would honestly go for tlt c3po miri at that point, as shes more manueverable with no stress and with TLT coverage with emergency SLAM as necessary

How about something like this?

Poe Dameron (31)

+ Predator (3)

+ R5-P9 (3)

+ Autothrusters (2)

+ Pattern Analyzer/Sensor Cluster (2)

Miranda Doni (29)

+ Twin Laser Turret (6)

+ C-3PO (3)

+ Long-Range Scanners (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)

+ Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

+ Black Market Slicer Tools (1)

+ Captured TIE (1)

+ Intelligence Agent (1)

+ Adaptability (0)

All PS8 and double regen. Plus a troll.

Ahsoka doesnt need rey since she wont be doing much (if any) dice rolling

Does need captured tie mod, though, and vi

I'm always a fan of Predator Poe over VI. I feel like VI-regen Poe is so often hits too softly for his points. Predator makes him felt. Barrel Rolling on Norra is really useful, too.

I'd think pretty hard about PTL on Poe over Predator, though. With Pattern Analyzers, you can delay checking stress until after you PTL, so you can clear it on green moves the same turn you pick it up. That lets you boost and Focus to drive Poe and R5P9. You don't need it all the time, because sometimes you carry a TL between turns and sometimes you don't need to boost, but I've found it overall very strong. It is more vulnerable to bumping that Predator, and it's not as good on the red moves unless you double-stress yourself, but I've found it about perfect. PTL is also nicer if you find a spare point to put in the Black One title.

God, I hope Poe Dameron makes a big come back at my local squadron championship on October 29th.

I remember before U-Boats scared him off....he was sooo easy to kill. It really was delightful. <3

I miss blowing up X-Wings.

Defenders are too common in the meta right now for Poe to be really good in any list. In the end, you just cannot joust with him 1v1 against defenders with their token economy. That being said, Norra and Miranda are incredible right now. TLTs are also really necessary for the nearly guaranteed damage. I have a couple lists that I really enjoy right now:

Ezra Bridger:

-PTL

-TLT

-Chewie

Norra:

-PTL

-R2-D2

-Tail Gunner

-Alliance Overhaul

-Vector Thrusters

Biggs:

-Integrated Astomech

-R4-D6

or

Norra:

-PTL

-R2-D2

-Tail Gunner

-Alliance Overhaul

-Vector Thrusters

Miranda:

-TLT

-Homing Missles

-Long-range Scanners

Green Squad Pilot:

-Adaptability

-A-wing Test Pilot

-Crack Shot

-Char Refit

-Autothrusters

eh...having flown Poe's against x7s I don't agree

Poe v x7s is basically the same as every other regen versus x7s, i.e the late game 1v1 is a never-ending hell-on-earth stall-fest of anguish that'll eventually lead you to win by 3-5 points, depending on the regenerator

no need to joust, just run the clock

though I do personally far prefer Miranda and Norra to poe (dat playstyle; dat wingspan), it's not like he can't pull similar bull to them (esp with pattern analyzer now)

I'm always a fan of Predator Poe over VI. I feel like VI-regen Poe is so often hits too softly for his points. Predator makes him felt. Barrel Rolling on Norra is really useful, too.

I'd think pretty hard about PTL on Poe over Predator, though. With Pattern Analyzers, you can delay checking stress until after you PTL, so you can clear it on green moves the same turn you pick it up. That lets you boost and Focus to drive Poe and R5P9. You don't need it all the time, because sometimes you carry a TL between turns and sometimes you don't need to boost, but I've found it overall very strong. It is more vulnerable to bumping that Predator, and it's not as good on the red moves unless you double-stress yourself, but I've found it about perfect. PTL is also nicer if you find a spare point to put in the Black One title.

Oooh, I never thought about PTL + PA. That's nasty. I am a bit weary of putting PTL on both Norra and Poe, but if I swapped Miri out for Norra, then I could go that way. I feel like there's too many lists that can shut down PTL too easily, and even if they're not omnipresent, there are enough of them that it can generate a near auto loss. I do really like Miranda, and with plenty of defenders running around, she's probably the better choice these days.

I fail to see how Poe lacks the punch to get through defenders any more than anyone else. And with PA, he can alternate the troll and 1 bank, regening a shield each turn, as well as modifying his attack and defense dice. And he has a higher PS. In a 1 on 1 scenario, I would expect Poe to come out the victor. Now, before PA, I'd 100% agree - the white 4k means that they'll just wear him down faster than he can wear them down. But if done correctly, you'll just end up trading R3 shots every other turn, and Poe will end up with B->E, F->E and a shield regen.

The other Regenerator worth considering is Red Ace with R2-D2, Comms Relay and either IA or Autothrusters depending on points. Possibly the tankiest ship available for the points but with the downside of the lowest potential damage output.

I think I have lost Red Ace due to flying her off the board more times than I have to enemy fire.

Red Ace is also called Red Ace because they don't care about stress as much

assigned evade + r2-d2 and all

and "they" because that alt art is really REALLY ambiguous

Would a TLT Miranda, non-VT Norra, and Biggs be worse than the double-ARC list?

How about something like this?

Poe Dameron (31)

+ Predator (3)

+ R5-P9 (3)

+ Autothrusters (2)

+ Pattern Analyzer/Sensor Cluster (2)

Miranda Doni (29)

+ Twin Laser Turret (6)

+ C-3PO (3)

+ Long-Range Scanners (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)

+ Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

+ Black Market Slicer Tools (1)

+ Captured TIE (1)

+ Intelligence Agent (1)

+ Adaptability (0)

All PS8 and double regen. Plus a troll.

I was tinkering with a similar idea

E-Wing: · Corran Horn (35)

Veteran Instincts (1)

Fire Control System (2)

· R2-D2 (4)

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (33)

Adaptability (Increase) (0)

· R5-P9 (3)

Autothrusters (2)

· Black One (1)

TIE Fighter: · Ahsoka Tano (17)

Veteran Instincts (1)

· Captured TIE (1)

How about something like this?

Poe Dameron (31)

+ Predator (3)

+ R5-P9 (3)

+ Autothrusters (2)

+ Pattern Analyzer/Sensor Cluster (2)

Miranda Doni (29)

+ Twin Laser Turret (6)

+ C-3PO (3)

+ Long-Range Scanners (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)

+ Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

+ Black Market Slicer Tools (1)

+ Captured TIE (1)

+ Intelligence Agent (1)

+ Adaptability (0)

All PS8 and double regen. Plus a troll.

I was tinkering with a similar idea

E-Wing: · Corran Horn (35)

Veteran Instincts (1)

Fire Control System (2)

· R2-D2 (4)

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (33)

Adaptability (Increase) (0)

· R5-P9 (3)

Autothrusters (2)

· Black One (1)

TIE Fighter: · Ahsoka Tano (17)

Veteran Instincts (1)

· Captured TIE (1)

You can save a point by going with the PS8 Poe w/ VI instead of PS9 w/ Adaptability. Then if you drop Black One, you can put Sabine's Masterpiece and BMST on Ashoka if you want.

How about something like this?

Poe Dameron (31)

+ Predator (3)

+ R5-P9 (3)

+ Autothrusters (2)

+ Pattern Analyzer/Sensor Cluster (2)

Miranda Doni (29)

+ Twin Laser Turret (6)

+ C-3PO (3)

+ Long-Range Scanners (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)

+ Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

+ Black Market Slicer Tools (1)

+ Captured TIE (1)

+ Intelligence Agent (1)

+ Adaptability (0)

All PS8 and double regen. Plus a troll.

I was tinkering with a similar idea

E-Wing: · Corran Horn (35)

Veteran Instincts (1)

Fire Control System (2)

· R2-D2 (4)

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (33)

Adaptability (Increase) (0)

· R5-P9 (3)

Autothrusters (2)

· Black One (1)

TIE Fighter: · Ahsoka Tano (17)

Veteran Instincts (1)

· Captured TIE (1)

You can save a point by going with the PS8 Poe w/ VI instead of PS9 w/ Adaptability. Then if you drop Black One, you can put Sabine's Masterpiece and BMST on Ashoka if you want.

Yes, nice.

Would a TLT Miranda, non-VT Norra, and Biggs be worse than the double-ARC list?

Not worse, just a little different I think.

As a follow up to my post about Poe not being the best 1v1 against Defenders, I flew a list with him yesterday that changes how I view my previous statement.

Poe (ps8):

-PTL or Predator

-R5-P9

-Black One

-Pattern Analyzer

-Autothrusters

Pattern Analyzer is a complete game changer. Without PTL, it still guarantees Poe always gets his focus, even after talon rolls. With PTL it almost seems broken. Getting a focus and a target lock or boosting out of arc into a free shot with a focus, over and over and over and over, then regaining shields is crazy powerful. This build is also only 42 points, which allows for a Fat Rey (which is what I was running) or two other solid ships. I think running Biggs here with another T-70 could do work.

though I do personally far prefer Miranda and Norra to poe (dat playstyle; dat wingspan), it's not like he can't pull similar bull to them (esp with pattern analyzer now)

Poe & Norra?

Poe & Miranda?

Or Miranda & Norra? (Girl power version)

Corran seems to sit a bit on the sidelines nowadays it sems...

On another note, Poe seems to be even a more solid choice with Pattern analyzer as you say, or my new favorite, (Primed thrusters and) Black one title. It really helps him and his squad a ton vs. Omega Leader and also Whisper and anything with FCS. Being able to get rid of TLs is really underrated imho.

though I do personally far prefer Miranda and Norra to poe (dat playstyle; dat wingspan), it's not like he can't pull similar bull to them (esp with pattern analyzer now)

Yeah that's the real question for Rebel Regen nowadays.

Poe & Norra?

Poe & Miranda?

Or Miranda & Norra? (Girl power version)

Corran seems to sit a bit on the sidelines nowadays it sems...

On another note, Poe seems to be even a more solid choice with Pattern analyzer as you say, or my new favorite, (Primed thrusters and) Black one title. It really helps him and his squad a ton vs. Omega Leader and also Whisper and anything with FCS. Being able to get rid of TLs is really underrated imho.

I completely agree with this. I ran Poe and Rey yesterday. Rey had countermeasures with glitterstim and Poe had the black one title. My opponents had no idea who to shoot and no chance to modify their dice.

Yeah you force them into focus pretty much. And as long as you have Finn on Rey, and keep the guy in your front, the Falcon can be just as resilient as it was with C-3PO.

The other question is if Rey is better than Han (old version). I would say no, if you build oldschool Han with C3-PO, EU and Predator/Lone Wolf/VI and old Title, i think he is still superior for a tiny more cost. Unless you play in a tournament where everyone has got high agility Autothrusters. In that case Rey is probably a better choice.

Sadly Rey is the only viable new Falcon Pilot. New Han with that crap ability should be 3 points less, and still would hardly be worth it. Chewie is just very bad too and should come in at 2 ponts less than his younger alter ego. These one-trick pilot abilities are just not worth it. It's a shame really. Nobody plays ships with a one-time pilot ability really or ones that are really hard to trigger. Fel's Wrath, IG-88 with shield regen ability, come to mind as examples. New Han and Chewie will fit into that category. Han could be worthwile if you could get a truly massive Alphastrike off and killed a ship on turn 1. But that's not going to work. Just disrupting the enemy a bit is going to come at the price of just losing Han early. If you're not mindful of focus fire. You will need to run away asap and then what goid is his ability if you just use it to flee. Just sad...

Corran seems to sit a bit on the sidelines nowadays it sems...

Poe (ps8):

-PTL or Predator

-R5-P9

-Black One

-Pattern Analyzer

-Autothrusters

Pattern Analyzer is a complete game changer. Without PTL, it still guarantees Poe always gets his focus, even after talon rolls. With PTL it almost seems broken. Getting a focus and a target lock or boosting out of arc into a free shot with a focus, over and over and over and over, then regaining shields is crazy powerful. This build is also only 42 points, which allows for a Fat Rey (which is what I was running) or two other solid ships. I think running Biggs here with another T-70 could do work.

Hmm, 42 points you say. Add Biggs for 26 and that leaves 32 points which is exactly right for Braelen/Gunner/Stresbot. Coincidence? I think not!

Corran seems to sit a bit on the sidelines nowadays it sems...

2 Hull is starting to a look like a liability with BMST floating around. Time will tell if it really takes off.

Poe (ps8):-PTL or Predator-R5-P9-Black One-Pattern Analyzer-Autothrusters Pattern Analyzer is a complete game changer. Without PTL, it still guarantees Poe always gets his focus, even after talon rolls. With PTL it almost seems broken. Getting a focus and a target lock or boosting out of arc into a free shot with a focus, over and over and over and over, then regaining shields is crazy powerful. This build is also only 42 points, which allows for a Fat Rey (which is what I was running) or two other solid ships. I think running Biggs here with another T-70 could do work.

Hmm, 42 points you say. Add Biggs for 26 and that leaves 32 points which is exactly right for Braelen/Gunner/Stresbot. Coincidence? I think not!

As for BMST i like it, and it's a fantastic tool vs. Corran, Soontir and the like. Just

Hmm, 42 points you say. Add Biggs for 26 and that leaves 32 points which is exactly right for Braelen/Gunner/Stresbot. Coincidence? I think not!

Idk if Gunner is the way to go on Stramm. Keep him cheap, and i like the idea of a Tail Gunner on any 170 i run. If he has 32 points, he is inmace territory alteady. He can not pull the same kind of weight though. And for stressing alone, might as well just take a Stresshog.

I think that Braylen brings a lot over a regular stresshog for his extra 6 points. He can shoot (and stress) out of 2 arcs instead of 1. He has a far better dial, +1PS, +1 Hull and his special rule helps him to shift the stress he naturally tends to accumulate.

Hmm, 42 points you say. Add Biggs for 26 and that leaves 32 points which is exactly right for Braelen/Gunner/Stresbot. Coincidence? I think not!

Idk if Gunner is the way to go on Stramm. Keep him cheap, and i like the idea of a Tail Gunner on any 170 i run. If he has 32 points, he is inmace territory alteady. He can not pull the same kind of weight though. And for stressing alone, might as well just take a Stresshog.

I think that Braylen brings a lot over a regular stresshog for his extra 6 points. He can shoot (and stress) out of 2 arcs instead of 1. He has a far better dial, +1PS, +1 Hull and his special rule helps him to shift the stress he naturally tends to accumulate.

I might start to like him more once we get a cheap Rebel Tie with slicer tools to fly alongside...

I might start to like him more once we get a cheap Rebel Tie with slicer tools to fly alongside...