So we're now getting FAQs pretty much stating 'oops our bad tack on an extra hull' among other things. Does anybody think that this will somewhat replace the 'title patch' method of getting ships back into competitive shape? Would it be more useful or annoying to merely FAQ the point values of E-Wings or X-Wings rather than trying to figure out a perfect fix card that would break single pilots?

I think using that route too often might wind up confusing the heck out of new players as too many stat changes would require a lot of updated fact juggling on the part of the newbs beyond what is given them in their cards.

The designers have said before they would only do it this way if they had no other choice (phantom being a good example). They are well aware of how confusing FaQ fixes can be to new players.

I imagine they won't be doing it again unless something slips through the cracks.

I doubt future FAQs will straight up change point costs. It's just not the same as 'adding text' like with Deadeye or the Scyk. Even adding an extra red die to the HWK primary would be awkward in a FAQ, and that's to fix something that FFG has totally admitted was a mistake.

I think another elements is that - being brutally honest - I do not expect to see any X-wing product not from one of the new films or tv series from this point on. Which means there was, realistically, no product in which a "fix" card could be delivered. Secondly, the obvious "fix" - a title card - had already been used, leaving them somewhat hands-tied in options.

I think another elements is that - being brutally honest - I do not expect to see any X-wing product not from one of the new films or tv series from this point on. Which means there was, realistically, no product in which a "fix" card could be delivered. Secondly, the obvious "fix" - a title card - had already been used, leaving them somewhat hands-tied in options.

A second generic title for the Scyk wouldn't have been a bad option, especially if it was cheaper than the existing one. But, yeah, when will Scum Huge/Aces/Vets happen? No one knows.

I hope they will, but only in rare cases. It is good that the stance of "never, unless it ruins the tournament scene" has been softened, but they must keep extraordinary care with what they do. We must not come into a situation where errata are reversed/reworked a second time.

I welcome errata. Imperial Assault has had it on several cards seemingly as long as it's been released.

What I would hope for, though, is that with every tournament kit, they print out hundreds of updated cards to be distributed to players. Maybe they could implement a free exchange system: bring in your old cards to receive that many updated ones. If logistics demands some kind of compensation, they could charge a quarter per card, and players keep their originals.

It's not the first time. Look at the Tie Phantom nerf. It's about the same level. So, I think it will only be done in situations like that.

I was thinking that there is still room for a title for a non-heavy Scyk in a future product that involves Scum.

It's not the first time. Look at the Tie Phantom nerf. It's about the same level. So, I think it will only be done in situations like that.

I was thinking that there is still room for a title for a non-heavy Scyk in a future product that involves Scum.

The Scyck fix is very different in my opinion. So far cards were changed because they didn't work with their literal rulings or they were too powerfull, never because a ship didn't see play!

PO-tah-toe, po-TAH-to

It all just goes to effect the overall "what is played and why" balance.

I expect something in the works for more Scum ships.

I'd be 100% cool if they decided to redo like 20 cards in this fashion, but I suspect that they will be extremely conservative with it.

Using the Last Resort Button doesn't make it cease to be a Last Resort Button.

They've done the integrated astromech, which was a card for a force awakens ship but attempted to fix the T-65. The syck fix made the ship a little better, but its not exactly a miracle. It needs a 'chaardan refit' type card IMO.

I own seven Syck fighters.

Don't worry about the noobs, most of the time they will just be happy taking the ships out of the box and not bother to look at an FAQ. They will probably be playing some rule wrong here or there but just not care and have fun anyway, at least now some guy won't come along with that particular flavor of Triple Scouts and ruin their day.

The majority of Competitive players or Pro-Casual players (play casual, but spend a lot of time obsessing about the game and posting on the internet) are aware of the FAQ in any case. I still just thank god that xwing is not like 40k and they actually do a good job with FAQs, don't let power balance issues languish and at least they try. Could be even better, but they try.

So yeah, if this is well received, i expect to see more patches like this. The game will never be perfectly balanced as more and more crap comes out that it's impossible to test all the interactions for. I don't see them using the MTG solution of restricting play to newer waves, as long as all their ships on the market, so it looks like they will need to make use of patches and errata, until they do a second edition (which I think we'll see at some point)

So, was the mistake that FFG made that Deadeye could go on Large ships or was it giving an EPT to the very cheap generic toilet seat in the first place? I don't remember anyone saying Deadeye was OP before the Humpbastard was a thing. Now how am I gonna fire munitions from my firesprays?!?

While I agree that Integrated Astromech and the Heavy Scyk change aren't Tie Defender titles, I think it does enough for each of them. Then again, this comes from a "pro-casual". I admit that I like that definition.

So, was the mistake that FFG made that Deadeye could go on Large ships or was it giving an EPT to the very cheap generic toilet seat in the first place? I don't remember anyone saying Deadeye was OP before the Humpbastard was a thing. Now how am I gonna fire munitions from my firesprays?!?

Slave 1 title, long range scanners

Now how am I gonna fire munitions from my firesprays?!?

For the love of god, somebody give Firesprays barrel roll (without eating up their precious EPT slot and stressing them, curse you!) so that I can stop whining about it and live my dream of Kath Scarlets and Boba Fetts who roll up and drop their booty right on top of you!

Somebody errata Vectored Thrusters to say "Small Ship and Firespray Only Modification", ASAP! Get Alex Davy in here!!

Rabble, rabble, rabble!

While I agree that Integrated Astromech and the Heavy Scyk change aren't Tie Defender titles, I think it does enough for each of them. Then again, this comes from a "pro-casual". I admit that I like that definition.

Yeah agreed, from a competitive POV those ships are still crap on a stick but in casual play they are now just about right. I guess I was just averaging those two things in my head! haha.

The answer to the thread's question is: "Most likely, yes." Frankly, I welcome this sort of errata MORE than a slapdash upgrade or title that requires yet another card cluttering up the table. I appreciate that they are working hard to maintain balance and fix mistakes, but it's not exactly awesome to have to throw 3+ mandatory upgrades on a ship just to make it operational.

It's really hard to see how FFG can fix game balance in any satisfying way.

Chardaan refit was essentially a new points value but it was a very clumsy way of doing it. And it required buying a new kit just to get the fix for the figures you already have.

New titles that just make the ship better is a lot more agreeable for most people - like the TIE/x1. It's a new toy for your ship. It has the same issues that you have to buy the fixes (like the $100 ship you needed for the Advanced fix).

On the other hand, actually changing points values is problematic, other than through upgrades like Chardaan. You'd have people turning up to events with illegal lists forever. Most games treat points values as sacrosanct unless you're releasing a new edition. Which FFG can't really do ever with X-wing because the rules are bundled in with the models.

Errata is nice and easy fix to stuff but it carries plenty of issues. Many of those little rules cards are now obsolete. Tiny changes in wording to thwart rules-lawyering is fine (there's no change in what autothrusters basically do) but balance changes are a lot more obvious. Giving certain cards a better effect is generally more agreeable (hey, you know your heavy scyks get an extra hull?) than new restrictions (yeah, your torp boat is illegal now). And it's getting annoying how many cards are no longer correct. If FFG printed corrected cards (maybe as freebies in tournament kits?) that would help, but there's another level of confusion with the same card with different texts out there.

Heck, I even love the subtle Biggs nerf. Reducing the strength of his ability will make any further X-Wing balance fixes easier to handle.

Edit: Chardaan isn't simply a points reduction. It's a reduction that also prevents your A-Wing from taking Proton Rockets.

Let's hope the Phantom gets its fix soon.....that would be fun to fly in the correct squad!

I guess X-wing Fefit would be FAQ that adds '-2 squad point cost' to Integrated Astro.

Or -2 to cost of astromech. Either way, FAQ dat card!

It's really hard to see how FFG can fix game balance in any satisfying way.

Chardaan refit was essentially a new points value but it was a very clumsy way of doing it. And it required buying a new kit just to get the fix for the figures you already have.

New titles that just make the ship better is a lot more agreeable for most people - like the TIE/x1. It's a new toy for your ship. It has the same issues that you have to buy the fixes (like the $100 ship you needed for the Advanced fix).

On the other hand, actually changing points values is problematic, other than through upgrades like Chardaan. You'd have people turning up to events with illegal lists forever. Most games treat points values as sacrosanct unless you're releasing a new edition. Which FFG can't really do ever with X-wing because the rules are bundled in with the models.

Errata is nice and easy fix to stuff but it carries plenty of issues. Many of those little rules cards are now obsolete. Tiny changes in wording to thwart rules-lawyering is fine (there's no change in what autothrusters basically do) but balance changes are a lot more obvious. Giving certain cards a better effect is generally more agreeable (hey, you know your heavy scyks get an extra hull?) than new restrictions (yeah, your torp boat is illegal now). And it's getting annoying how many cards are no longer correct. If FFG printed corrected cards (maybe as freebies in tournament kits?) that would help, but there's another level of confusion with the same card with different texts out there.

I'd say I'd agree, in general out of the many fixes they can do I would prefer they just use the FAQ and errata first.

Fix cards if they are part of a set, well no you don't have to buy the $100 set you can get the cards on the internet. Most of the time, people are just buying a cool ship and you get a bonus in the form of a fix to one of your other ships. I don't see a problem with that...

I've never had an issue in real life of a person getting pissed or rage-quitting because they found the card out of the box has some form of errata to it. I was at my club last monday night and an extremely casual player, who you almost never see playing the game and wouldn't go near a tournament, showed up with a PRINTED OUT copy of the new FAQ just as a matter of course, and it was news to me.

On the other hand, In my time playing xwing I've seen people quit or lose interest because of the power level of combos in the game (such as torp scouts), and I've also seen people misundersand or misuse normal rules that are just out of the box. In almost all clubs and tournaments as well you have 'that guy' who knows all the rules and you just need to ask him and that is that.

I think some higher up guy in FFG just realized, well which of these options is cheaper and doable for us: 1. Hiring twice the amount of playtesters and professional analysts to ensure balance; or 2. Commissioning the artwork, drawing up a new card and releasing a new product; or 3. changing a line in a PDF that you distribute online.

And do people really care like they would buy less stuff if we chose one of those options over the other?

One day the +1 Hull will save that day.... BUT THAT DAY IS NOT TODAY...

I think I'm blessed by the Scyk gods, they took a awful lot of fire from TLTs, Poe and a Falcon and dodged every shot...