So Hotshot Copilot forces you to spend a focus token, but it doesn't really specify how. Would it be legal to use Poe's ability to change a focus to an evade, then spend the focus on sensor cluster's ability to turn the blank into an evade?

i'd imagine the "must spend focus" would be during the attack as a whole, which when defending is only during modding your own defense dice. So, long as you spent it before moving on, the clause is met.

Generally speaking you can only spend a token for a single effect.

So unless they card is simply saying you must spend it on something, you have to spend it on the Hotshot Copilot effect, meaning you can't use it for something else.

But considering the card is not released yet it's hard to say what the final text will look like.

It's my understanding that Hotshot Copilot just makes you spend your focus during the attack. It's not a "You now discard your focus token" effect. That would be flat out Wes level of power in a crew slot.

I think you misread the question VanorDM... From what I understood, nowhere in the question did he mention using the same focus token for 2 effects.

Assuming the translation we have is correct: "When attacking with your primary weapon, the defender must spend one focus token if able. When (you are) defending, the attacker must spend one focus token if able."

I'd find it surprising if the german translation mixed up "spend" and "discard", since those are terms that are used frequently in X-Wing.

As far as I can tell, Hot-Shot Copilot simply forces your opponent to spend the focus token. It doesn't require him to spend it for any specific ability or in any specific timing.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to use Poe's ability (which doesn't spend the token), and then spend the token for Sensor Cluster.

I think you misread the question VanorDM...

I think I got it, but I'm not sure I get the wording on Hotshot...

I think it is perfectly reasonable to use Poe's ability (which doesn't spend the token), and then spend the token for Sensor Cluster.

Yeah if Hotshot is just saying you have to spend the focus on something, then that would be allowed.

I think the first thing we need to wait for is to get our hands on the original wording of the cards in English to then consider what is RAW and what is RAI... Until we know exactly what is the wording we are just guessing..

We have no way of knowing without knowing the English wording of the card, and then probably getting an FAQ on it as well.

I have submitted a rules question for clarification on this now that it has been released.

The first question was whether or not spending the focus is a cost of the attack (or defense) or if spending a focus at any point during the attack satisfies the requirements of Hotshot Co-Pilot.

The second question was whether a ship was forced to take actions in an order that would permit it to spend a token during the attack (Accuracy Corrector was the example I used).

To be honest, this one seems pretty straight forward to me.

If the attacker / defender has a focus token, he needs to spend it on something (anything - even to modify 0 dice).

The only reason he would not be required to spend it is if some other effect is preventing him from spending it (eg: Carnor Jax).

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To be honest, this one seems pretty straight forward to me.

If the attacker / defender has a focus token, he needs to spend it on something (anything - even to modify 0 dice).

The only reason he would not be required to spend it is if some other effect is preventing him from spending it (eg: Carnor Jax).

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I believe that your interpretation is likely correct. It's consistent with how I thought it worked when I first read it. I would like to get it confirmed though. I'm also unsure about whether or not it compels a certain order in how a player chooses to apply effects.

If a ship with Hotshot Co-Pilot is attack by a ship with Accuracy Corrector, does the ship with Accuracy Corrector need to spend its focus before using Accuracy Corrector or is it able to use Accuracy Corrector first and hang on to its token?

If a ship with Hotshot Co-Pilot is attack by a ship with Accuracy Corrector, does the ship with Accuracy Corrector need to spend its focus before using Accuracy Corrector or is it able to use Accuracy Corrector first and hang on to its token?

This leads to a question I've been contemplating: given that you can spend a focus to modify no dice (as per FAQ "Spending Tokens"). Does this mean the enemy must spend their focus even if they roll no eyeball results?

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

If a ship with Hotshot Co-Pilot is attack by a ship with Accuracy Corrector, does the ship with Accuracy Corrector need to spend its focus before using Accuracy Corrector or is it able to use Accuracy Corrector first and hang on to its token?

This leads to a question I've been contemplating: given that you can spend a focus to modify no dice (as per FAQ "Spending Tokens"). Does this mean the enemy must spend their focus even if they roll no eyeball results?

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

Yes, they would. They'd have to spend it even if they rolled 0 dice.

If a ship with Hotshot Co-Pilot is attack by a ship with Accuracy Corrector, does the ship with Accuracy Corrector need to spend its focus before using Accuracy Corrector or is it able to use Accuracy Corrector first and hang on to its token?

This leads to a question I've been contemplating: given that you can spend a focus to modify no dice (as per FAQ "Spending Tokens"). Does this mean the enemy must spend their focus even if they roll no eyeball results?

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

Yes, they would. They'd have to spend it even if they rolled 0 dice.

I thought as much.

If a ship with Hotshot Co-Pilot is attack by a ship with Accuracy Corrector, does the ship with Accuracy Corrector need to spend its focus before using Accuracy Corrector or is it able to use Accuracy Corrector first and hang on to its token?

This leads to a question I've been contemplating: given that you can spend a focus to modify no dice (as per FAQ "Spending Tokens"). Does this mean the enemy must spend their focus even if they roll no eyeball results?

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

Yes, they would. They'd have to spend it even if they rolled 0 dice.

I thought as much.

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

This isn't entirely true. If the attacker uses accuracy corrector I do not see how they can legally spend the focus even to modify their 0 eyeballs. Accuracy corrector clearly states at the bottom that the dice cannot be modified again this attack.

The reason being that I'd say this renders your question moot (if it's the case that is), as you'll be spending your token regardless.

This isn't entirely true. If the attacker uses accuracy corrector I do not see how they can legally spend the focus even to modify their 0 eyeballs. Accuracy corrector clearly states at the bottom that the dice cannot be modified again this attack.

And in any case, if you're modifying 0 dice, you're not modifying any dice(duh)... which is kinda the point. It says your dice can't be modified again, not that you can't spend tokens.

But you can spend a focus for things other than modification.

And in any case, if you're modifying 0 dice, you're not modifying any dice(duh)... which is kinda the point. It says your dice can't be modified again, not that you can't spend tokens.

I disagree. There is a distinct difference between 0 and null, to use a programming terms. Spending a focus to change 0 results into 0 different results is still modifying the dice (0->0). This may seem like a stupid nitpick but it is reinforced by the FAQ on omega leader which clarifies you cannot use things like keyan's ability to modify 0 results if he has you locked up.

Yeah if it says you cannot modify dice then you can't spend a focus token to modify even zero dice.

The question with Accuracy Corrector is not whether or not the focus can be spent to modify results after Accuracy Corrector has been used (because it clearly cannot be), but whether or not HSCP compels a player to resolve effects in such an order that permits the token to be spent.

It's this example that made me think that HSCP might actually be a cost because that is much easier to apply. Take the example of a possible future card:

"When you are hit by an attack and there are one or more uncanceled [CRIT] results, you may spend a focus token to change one [CRIT] into a [HIT]."

If a ship with that ability is being fired on by a ship with HSCP there is a window of opportunity to spend a focus tokens that lasts until the end of the attack. However, no one will know if there is going to be a result that permits the token from being spent. Is the defender forced to spend the token earlier because it may not be possible to spend it later? Or can the defender hang on to his token until it is too late to spend the token if there end up not being any eligible results?

A cost for attacking or defending is simple to figure out how things interact.

It seems you'd have to spend it before using Accuracy Corrector. I don't think there would be a cunning way out of it. You'd need to spend it at some stage.

It seems you'd have to spend it before using Accuracy Corrector. I don't think there would be a cunning way out of it. You'd need to spend it at some stage.

But why? There's nothing that normally dictates the order that abilities must be applied unless it is something that comes down to initiative and I don't see a way that this could.

It seems you'd have to spend it before using Accuracy Corrector. I don't think there would be a cunning way out of it. You'd need to spend it at some stage.

But why? There's nothing that normally dictates the order that abilities must be applied unless it is something that comes down to initiative and I don't see a way that this could.

Well unless you've got an opportunity after AC that doesn't involve modifying. My point was if the only opportunity you had was during the modification steps, but you chose to use AC before spending the token, then you've dodged HSCP entirely. Which doesn't seem right at all.

I think this one would have been easier if it was more like Kaa'to Leeachos and you just remove a token from the opponent's ship.

It seems you'd have to spend it before using Accuracy Corrector. I don't think there would be a cunning way out of it. You'd need to spend it at some stage.

I think the crux of the discussion is simply what would force you to do so? From a human perspective it's very easy to see that using accuracy corrector would then disable spending a focus so you would think you must spend the focus beforehand. From a programmatic approach, which is often how rules are most clearly interpreted, it's much less obvious. Nothing about accuracy corrector is immediately different from palp or target lock or any other modification unless you read ahead to the end of the card. If you can spend a target lock before the mandatory focus there seems to be very little reason you could not spend an accuracy corrector before the mandatory focus other than your foreknowledge that it would make spending the focus illegal.

That foreknowledge is actually immaterial to the rules though otherwise you wouldn't be able to use advanced sensors and push the limit to stress yourself before a red maneuver. It's not a good idea obviously, but nothing in the game stops you from performing a sequence of events which results in an illegal game state assuming each step in the sequence is itself legal.

I obviously could be entirely wrong from an upcoming FAQ but I think there's nothing rules wise stopping you from placing yourself into a state in which the ability doesn't work.

I think this one would have been easier if it was more like Kaa'to Leeachos and you just remove a token from the opponent's ship.

That's my problem with this card. It is a little unclear but not horribly so. The more likely interpretation leads to a lot of 'but, what ifs?" while the less likely is very clear cut in how it interacts.