Hotshot Copilot (crew upgrade)

No restrictions

Cost: 4

Text (corrected translation):

When attacking with your primary weapon, the defender must spend one foucs token if possible/able.

When (you are) defending, the attacker must spend one foucs token if possible/able.

Correction: Referring to the German translation of the "Captain Kagi" pilot card it's quite likely that it's rather "able" than "possible".

Correction II: Referring to the German translation of "Advanced Targeting Computer" I'm pretty sure it's "When attacking with your primary weapon..."

From Rulesreference: Page 11

• A ship can spend a focus token even if it did not

roll any Focus results.

From FAQ 4.2.2

Spending Tokens

When attacking, players may spend target locks and choose to reroll 0 attack

dice. Additionally, players may spend a focus token even if they do not roll any

Focus results. When defending, players may spend focus tokens even if they do

not roll any Focus results and may spend evade tokens to add evade results in

excess of the number of hit and critical hit results

Can Hot-Shot Co-Pilot force a Defender,

that rolls 0 Green Dice (VCX or Deci)

to spend his Focus?

Yes

You can still spend an Evade when you rolled 0 green dice because you are still going through the steps. Unless i missed something, there is no clause for spending a focus unique to having 0 dice to mod, only that you dont NEED any focus results to actually use it.

Calling it now, Decimators with a copilot (since that third crew is usually not used for anything with any real value) are going to be a severe pain in the ass.

There's already precedent set for stuff like this. Keyan Farlander can spend his stress even if he has no focus results to modify.

The only thing that would prevent this would be an effect like Omega Leaders which blocks dice modification (and by extension the spending of tokens, per FAQ). But there's no current way to mix an ability like that with HSCP.

The 'if able' is there to prevent an unresolvable state due to HSCP forcing someone to spend a token they don't have, I think.

The only thing that would prevent this would be an effect like Omega Leaders which blocks dice modification (and by extension the spending of tokens, per FAQ). But there's no current way to mix an ability like that with HSCP.

The 'if able' is there to prevent an unresolvable state due to HSCP forcing someone to spend a token they don't have, I think.

Or if they're sitting next to carnor Jax.

Carnor Jax is the only thing that would stop it. But seeing as how Jax only prevents enemy focus actions/uses, that means the guy with copilot ship has Jax as well - kinda counter productive yathink?

"if able" pretty much only applies to his interference or lack of a focus token.

Also, comically, Keyan dodges this rule entirely. Since when does Keyan have a focus? lol

The only thing that would prevent this would be an effect like Omega Leaders which blocks dice modification (and by extension the spending of tokens, per FAQ). But there's no current way to mix an ability like that with HSCP.

The 'if able' is there to prevent an unresolvable state due to HSCP forcing someone to spend a token they don't have, I think.

The only thing that would prevent this would be an effect like Omega Leaders which blocks dice modification (and by extension the spending of tokens, per FAQ). But there's no current way to mix an ability like that with HSCP.

The 'if able' is there to prevent an unresolvable state due to HSCP forcing someone to spend a token they don't have, I think.

Or if they're sitting next to carnor Jax.

Snap Shot would block spending the token as would Accuracy Corrector. If the attacker chooses to use Accuracy Corrector before spending the token they would be prohibited from spending the token.

I'm defining "current" as anything that would be available at the same time as HSCP.

All valid points. The AC interaction in particular is interesting - I'd argue that the HSCP forces them to spend the focus token first - they're able to do so, so they have to, even if they can block themselves further down the modification line.

Probably wants FAQing that.

All valid points. The AC interaction in particular is interesting - I'd argue that the HSCP forces them to spend the focus token first - they're able to do so, so they have to, even if they can block themselves further down the modification line.

Probably wants FAQing that.

I would argue that HSCP and accuracy corrector have the same trigger. If the attacker has initiative he can choose to resolve the AC first.

As noted, it probably needs to be FAQed.

Anyway... How many of pilots / skills uses the focus as the "free" action or is somehow passed from one to another? This crew member seems like an auto-include to all lists in near future...

What I am also wandering about is whether the opponent of the HS-Copilot is able to choose how he would like to spend his focus token?

Lets imagine Ahsoka with Calculation. After attacking there are 3 potential uses for her of a Focus token: give an action to a friendly ship in range 1, change 1 "eye" result into crit, change all "eye" results into hits. Does the immediately means that I am not able to move to my dice modification step to use either of those skills?

We don't know yet.

It might actually mean that as soon as you're declared a target by/declare target on the HSCP, you have to spend the token.

We're assuming it means during the relevant modify dice step (in which case, any of those would be viable uses except her pilot ability, which is at the start of combat, not after attacking) but we may be wrong.

If HSCP is essentially a cost that needs to be paid for attacking or defending against the ship that has it equipped and not just something that forces you to spend a token during the attack it will be a little crazy.

You can spend a focus for no reason.

even if you snapshot a copilot or use accuracy corrector, you still are forced to spend a focus. It just doesnt do anything. The rules specifically state you can spend a focus even if there is nothing to mod. If you are denied mods, then you have nothing to mod thus you can still spend a focus for no reason.

If im wrong, then Snapshot would dodge it but AC would not. AC is an option, as such you had a window where you MUST spend a focus so you still spent it.

There are actually plenty of reasons to do that even if you dont get a benefit out of the focus without copilot messing with you. Several things proc off using a focus, such as Chaser absorbing it rather than discarding it or Aggromech giving you a TL.

You can spend a focus for no reason.

even if you snapshot a copilot or use accuracy corrector, you still are forced to spend a focus. It just doesnt do anything. The rules specifically state you can spend a focus even if there is nothing to mod. If you are denied mods, then you have nothing to mod thus you can still spend a focus for no reason.

I'm not sure that that's true. I thought there was something in the FAQ about it but I am unable to find it.

You can definitely spend a focus token to modify 0 results but I don't believe that you can just spend a token for no reason. If you are blocked the ability to modify results, I think that would keep you from spending the token.

Hmm...digging around i notice the last blip of OL actually clarifies this:

"If "Omega Leader" has an enemy ship locked, when that ship attacks or defends against "Omega Leader," that ship cannot resolve abilities that would modify dice, even 0 dice, such as Keyan Farlander's ability. Additionally, that ship cannot resolve abilities that cause "Omega leader" to reroll his dice (such as R7 Astromech or Elusiveness), as these are abilities that modify dice"

While its technically calling out specific abilities, i dont see why it wouldnt be a blanket rule so it prevents token use too if you cant mod.

Meaning, correct, Snapshot would dodge copilot as he cant mod his dice. But AC would not since like i said before you had a window you COULD spend it.

While its technically calling out specific abilities, i dont see why it wouldnt be a blanket rule so it prevents token use too if you cant mod.

Meaning, correct, Snapshot would dodge copilot as he cant mod his dice. But AC would not since like i said before you had a window you COULD spend it.

I think one of two situations will exist with HSCP:

1. The spending of the focus token is essentially a cost to attack or defend.No modification occurs and the token is spent before any dice are rolled. I think that Carnor Jax is the only thing that will stop this.

2. HSCP just makes you spend a focus token at some point during the attack or defense if you have one and are able to.

Case 1 seems like it is the more powerful of the two and I would expect to see HSCP popping up all over the place.

Case 2 seems like a more reasonable effect for the card but anything that creates a situation where players are forced into applying effects in an order that ensures that an effect can be applied seems like it is going to be responsible for a lot of situations with an incorrect game state that will need to be corrected.

At four points, it may very well be case 1. If FFG is trying to weaken the focus action in comparison to Evade and Target Lock actions this would definitely do it. I'm also wondering if this was the hard counter to U-Boats that was supposed to be in Wave 9 but ended up in Wave 10.

case1 seems likely, though nobody would believe that on the receiving end without a faq. One of those even though its technically the way it works, EVERYBODY questions it kind of things.

I'm fairly certain that unless the translation is off there's no way the focus token is a cost to attack. The 'when attacking' clause is used commonly thoughout the game and isn't at the declare target step. Note cards like predator which use the same timing and are clearly only during the modification phase.

As for the timing in which you must spend your token that's really a curious thing. There's nothing in the rules which governs order of modification on dice, namely you never have to spend tokens or effects in a certain order. Given that being the case I'm not sure that there is currently any reason to assume you could not use accuracy corrector first and then thereafter be unable to spend a focus token. While yes at one point you could have spent a focus, by the time you tried to do so you no longer legally could.

I'm fairly certain that unless the translation is off there's no way the focus token is a cost to attack. The 'when attacking' clause is used commonly thoughout the game and isn't at the declare target step. Note cards like predator which use the same timing and are clearly only during the modification phase.

As for the timing in which you must spend your token that's really a curious thing. There's nothing in the rules which governs order of modification on dice, namely you never have to spend tokens or effects in a certain order. Given that being the case I'm not sure that there is currently any reason to assume you could not use accuracy corrector first and then thereafter be unable to spend a focus token. While yes at one point you could have spent a focus, by the time you tried to do so you no longer legally could.

I'd also be very surprised if the translation mixed up the words "spend" and "discard", since they are both used frequently in the game. If HSCP was meant to have your opponent discard a focus token for no effect, I can't see why they'd have worded it as "spend".

I agree with nigeltastic's opinion on the Accuracy Corrector / Hot-Shot Copilot interaction.

I would argue that HSCP and accuracy corrector have the same trigger. If the attacker has initiative he can choose to resolve the AC first.

I agree that HSCP and Accuracy corrector have the same trigger. But wanted to point out that initiative is completely irrelevant here.

You can spend a focus for no reason.

even if you snapshot a copilot or use accuracy corrector, you still are forced to spend a focus. It just doesnt do anything. The rules specifically state you can spend a focus even if there is nothing to mod. If you are denied mods, then you have nothing to mod thus you can still spend a focus for no reason.

If im wrong, then Snapshot would dodge it but AC would not. AC is an option, as such you had a window where you MUST spend a focus so you still spent it.

There are actually plenty of reasons to do that even if you dont get a benefit out of the focus without copilot messing with you. Several things proc off using a focus, such as Chaser absorbing it rather than discarding it or Aggromech giving you a TL.

Snap Shot dodges it for the same reason that OL blocks the spending of it, which per FAQ he does.

AC wouldn't. It's not a matter of initiative, there's no timing conflict. It's just that at some point during your attack (we don't yet know what point, it might even be as you declare target, like an attack cost) you have to spend the token.

It's worth noting IIRC that we don't actually have the English wording of the card yet, just a translation from German, so the English wording might be different...