If stressed ship dials a red manuever while being stressed new faq advises to: "...the owner moves the ship as if it were a white speed 2 straight maneuver intead."

However if pilot has "Shaken pilot" it: "...cannot be assigned straight maneuvers."

Sooo, does new stress rule overun crit effect?

They have no interaction - the ship was assigned the red move, not the two straight.

If stressed ship dials a red manuever while being stressed new faq advises to: "...the owner moves the ship as if it were a white speed 2 straight maneuver intead."

However if pilot has "Shaken pilot" it: "...cannot be assigned straight maneuvers."

Sooo, does new stress rule overun crit effect?

Basically, yeah. See the thing is, the new stress rule doesn't actually assign a straight maneuver to the pilot who is shaken. It just makes you execute that instead of the maneuver that you were assigned.

In the same way, someone with Shaken Pilot can be ionised, because ionisation doesn't assign a dial, it just happens.

Great, thank you guys!

Would Nien Nunb then turn it to a 2 green.

Would Nien Nunb then turn it to a 2 green.

Would Nien Nunb then turn it to a 2 green.

Much like he turns an ion 1 straight green, yes.

So, a B-Wing or Hawk that is stressed, has the Shaken Pilot crit and reveals a straight 4 red maneuver would... then do a straight 2 white maneuver, keep its stress token and the crit would still be active?

Nien doesn't make the forced maneuver green. Per the FAQ, "the speed, bearing, and difficulty of this maneuver cannot be changed."

Yes to the manoeuvre, no to the crit. You still revealed a manoeuvre, so the crit is still flipped. But you revealed an illegal one, so you don't perform it and instead do something else.

Currently, anyway, I'd be willing to bet this interaction will change as a result of the U Wing landing mode.

Totes wrong. See below.

Yes to the manoeuvre, no to the crit. You still revealed a manoeuvre, so the crit is still flipped. But you revealed an illegal one, so you don't perform it and instead do something else.

Currently, anyway, I'd be willing to bet this interaction will change as a result of the U Wing landing mode.

It renders Shaken Pilot pretty weak then. Some are arguing right now that just Shaken Pilot + revealing a straight (no stress or red maneuvers involved) would use the same new ruling and the crit would flip then the ship would just do a 2 straight.

True, actually. I need to revise my previous (incorrect) assertion:

Shaken Pilot isn't affected by the new FAQ regarding stress and red moves. The old ruling for illegal moves still applies to it. If you reveal a straight when Shaken, your opponent gets to set your dial.

So you still flip the crit and your opponent flies you where he wants.

True, actually. I may need to revise my previous (incorrect I think) assertion:

Shaken Pilot isn't affected by the new FAQ regarding stress and red moves. The old ruling for illegal moves still applies to it. If you reveal a straight when Shaken, your opponent gets to set your dial.

So you still flip the crit and your opponent flies you where he wants.

That's what I think too, but there are a few arguments that the new rule applies to all illegal moves. Hopefully FFG will clear it up.

That's what I think too, but there are a few arguments that the new rule applies to all illegal moves.

Yeah, illegal maneuvers and performing a red maneuver while stressed are not the same thing. In fact they've never been the same thing really. The only time the rules/FAQ refer to an illegal dial is when one is stuck between two maneuvers,

There is no general 'do this when someone performs an illegal maneuver' rule, so the other cases won't change based on the FAQ ruling, since this is a change to that rule alone.

The only time the rules/FAQ refer to an illegal dial is when one is stuck between two maneuvers

Or when the wrong dial is revealed for the ship. I plan a 1 turn for my B-Wing and a 3 turn for my X-Wing then accidentally reveal the X-Wing dial while activating my B-Wing.

Or when the wrong dial is revealed for the ship.

Actually it doesn't, which surprised me.

That has a heading of Assigning Incorrect Ship Dials and doesn't use the term illegal. That may be a bit of a semantic argument I'll admit, but the point is there is no general rule for Illegal dials/maneuvers.

I tried doing a text search in the FAQ for illegal and there's only one time the word is used in the whole FAQ. That's for if the dial isn't clearly showing a maneuver.

The description in that section though states

If the revealed maneuver is a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the revealed B-wing dial shows a red [straight 4] maneuver, a maneuver whose bearing and speed also appears on the X-wing ship dial), it is executed with the proper difficulty of the maneuver (in this example, white). If the revealed maneuver is not a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the B-wing dial shows a red [turn 1] maneuver, a maneuver that does not appear on the X-wing ship dial), the player’s opponent chooses which legal maneuver from that ship’s actual dial that ship will perform.

"Not a legal maneuver" is basically the same thing as "illegal maneuver".

"Not a legal maneuver" is basically the same thing as "illegal maneuver".

Yes, and as I said it's somewhat a matter of semantics. But mostly I was surprised there was no general "illegal maneuver" heading. But rather three different sections, only two of which use the term legal.

I guess the real point is that picking a red maneuver while stressed isn't actually illegal per the rules.

"Not a legal maneuver" is basically the same thing as "illegal maneuver".

Yes, and as I said it's somewhat a matter of semantics. But mostly I was surprised there was no general "illegal maneuver" heading. But rather three different sections, only two of which use the term legal.

I guess the real point is that picking a red maneuver while stressed isn't actually illegal per the rules.

FAQ/Latest Rule Update:

RULES REFERENCE (STRESS, PAGE 18)

The fourth bullet point in the Stress entry should read:

• A stressed ship cannot execute red maneuvers or perform actions.

I think the fact that when a rule says you cannot do something, then it wouldn't it be "illegal" to attempt it?

Also, where did we get to with Nien Nunb and this rule? He has no effect, right, because the difficulty cannot be changed?

"Not a legal maneuver" is basically the same thing as "illegal maneuver".

Yes, and as I said it's somewhat a matter of semantics. But mostly I was surprised there was no general "illegal maneuver" heading. But rather three different sections, only two of which use the term legal.

I guess the real point is that picking a red maneuver while stressed isn't actually illegal per the rules.

FAQ/Latest Rule Update:

RULES REFERENCE (STRESS, PAGE 18)

The fourth bullet point in the Stress entry should read:

• A stressed ship cannot execute red maneuvers or perform actions.

I think the fact that when a rule says you cannot do something, then it wouldn't it be "illegal" to attempt it?

Also, where did we get to with Nien Nunb and this rule? He has no effect, right, because the difficulty cannot be changed?

Looks like Nien doesn't do anything to me...

That's what i was thinking, too.

So if you have a shaken pilot and you are stressed, you can still basically 'elect' to perform a two straight... Just dial in a red maneuver. I don't know if I like that.

So if you have a shaken pilot and you are stressed, you can still basically 'elect' to perform a two straight... Just dial in a red maneuver. I don't know if I like that.

Yeah, this is one rule that comes with a rather large loophole.