All Luck; No Skill

By rustilus, in X-Wing

Is hard to put RNG in google and not find something about random numer generator

https://www.google.es/search?q=rng

Admiral Deathrain, very succinctly put. I do wish that the practice of spelling out an acronyn with its first use was the modus operandi, but it is not. It seems my frustration with acronyms has led me to being a troll by calling it out sarcastically. I will thereby apologize for my method of calling this out. I think I am done with this discussion, and we should all go back to bickering about why we should not be playing this game.

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Said that.


That said, I agree that indicate the meaning of an acronym the first time it is used, is a practical and easy measure that would help a novice in the forum.


And the game itself have a luck component, more than chess, but the number of dice rolling throughout a game is high enought to put the "random factor" at an acceptable level.

Much less random than poker, for example, and in poker skill is far far far more important than luck, so...



Also, obvious troll is obvious, but funny anyway.

While the trolling is stupid, X Wing is a casual game. It is a fun time with friends, but should not be taken seriously because one bad roll (which is not all that unlikely) can lose you the game.

That's why I would never travel for an X Wing tournament.

Probably one of the best lessons you could learn on this forum.

Well that and breakfast recipes.

I wouldn't class toasted bacon sandwich as a recipe tbh. Its two bits of toast plus bacon (add sauce of choice).

because one bad roll (which is not all that unlikely) can lose you the game.

One bad roll doesn't lose you the game. The fact that you set up a situation that allowed one bad roll to have that big of an impact is what lost you the game.

The only time a single bad roll is the only difference between a win and loss is when you are playing someone equally skilled with an identical list.

The fact that the same people keep finishing in the top 16 or so at all major tournaments is all the proof needed to kill the 'it's all about luck' bs.

I was also confused by the use of the RNG acronym, which I've always known as short hand for range.

I guess I've been misunderstanding about 50% of the conversations I've been having, haha.

because one bad roll (which is not all that unlikely) can lose you the game.

One bad roll doesn't lose you the game.

Unless it's a bacon roll without mustard!

rng = range? i can see why you'd think that but ive heard RNG referring to just raw luck since i was a teenager like 14 years ago.

Wonder what you thought the RNGesus comments meant then lol (its a joke on the dice gods)

Don't feed the Trolls

Feed the trolls breakfast

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Bruh do you even palp?

All games have luck in them. It's called RNG, be it monopoly to X Wing, except maybe diplomacy, that doesn't use dice.

Care to explain RNG? I don't remember doin algebra last time I played x-wing, nor having to to measure airborne particulate with a fosimeter. It seems there are lots of definition of what RNG means.

RNG Range

RNG Ranger (Everquest)

RNG Relax NG (filename extension, schema language for XML)

RNG Army National Guard (usually seen as ARNG)

RNG Renormalization Group (theory used with k-epsilon turbulence models)

RNG Relative Neighborhood Graph

RNG Random Number God

RNG Roundnose Grenadier (FAO species name code)

RNG Really Nice Guy

RNG Reconfigurable Network Group

RNG Random NetHack God

RNG Radioactive Noble Gas

RNG Raising the Next Generation Program (Massachusetts)

RNG Real Next-Generation (Comcast)

RNG Rangeace

RNG Random Number Generator

When saying something is called a particular thing, it is bad form to use acronyms without first explaining what they mean.

Random Number Generator is what you are looking for here. RNG has become synonymous with randomness in general in the gaming-sphere, because Random number generators is where video games take their randomness from. It kind of spread into the board game scene lately. It is technicaly a wrong use of the term, but it has started to gain footing and more and more people will know what is meant by it.

Cheers Admiral, but Samophlange is what we call in the business.."Being a ****". It is also bad form to treat everyone on a forum like an idiot and feel that everything needs to be explained to them to the minutest detail. It isnt a FLGS squadron nickname, it's a bonafide common use term amongst gamers. I suggest you grow up a little and stop wasting peoples time with inane comments, which you know are stupid and do not advance the commentary any further. Or are you the new PGS and need to go on the blocked list?

There is only one definition of EADC,so how about you go look it up.

I disagree. RNG has no business being used in boardgames because we're not actually generating random numbers. Random symbols? Sure. We use RSG. It irks me that people incorrectly apply RNG to boardgames and expect everybody to jump on board when it is completely nonsensical.

I'm sorry but the answer is Moops.

OP: luck (namely, dice) are not necessarily an unwanted aspect to a gaming experience.

Suggested reading on the matter: go check out the "literature" on "Ameritrash Games" vs "Eurogames." They are different kinds of gaming experiences that scratch different kinds of gaming itches. Some people want chaotic dice-fest, some people want brain-burning worker placement optimization. Some people enjoy both, but it's not like one is the superior gaming experience.

It sounds like, instead of X-Wing, you would prefer:
Star-Wars-Chess-Set-Chess-Game-Board-wit


And guess what? There is nothing wrong with that. Chess is a fantastic game and I enjoy it greatly. But sometimes, personally speaking, I want to enjoy some X-Wing.

I can't believe Paul Heaver has won worlds 3 times! What a lucky dude!

Perhaps this might be relevant:

http://dontbubble.us/

That's interesting. When I use DuckDuckGo and search FFG, it gives me some results, but if I search a second time FFG, it gives me different results. A third time gives me back the first result and a fourth time the second results, etc.

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I disagree. RNG has no business being used in boardgames because we're not actually generating random numbers. Random symbols? Sure. We use RSG. It irks me that people incorrectly apply RNG to boardgames and expect everybody to jump on board when it is completely nonsensical.

Meh, it's just an enum.

enum RedDice

{

0 = blank,

1 = eyeball,

2 = hit,

3 = crit

}

And then an analog machine that effectively generates a number 0-3 in a weighted fashion.

Or better yet an index into an array of symbol images

I disagree. RNG has no business being used in boardgames because we're not actually generating random numbers. Random symbols? Sure. We use RSG. It irks me that people incorrectly apply RNG to boardgames and expect everybody to jump on board when it is completely nonsensical.

Meh, it's just an enum.

enum RedDice

{

0 = blank,

1 = eyeball,

2 = hit,

3 = crit

}

And then an analog machine that effectively generates a number 0-3 in a weighted fashion.

Or better yet an index into an array of symbol images

Yeah the dice are literally random number generators. The number is just expressed with a symbol but that's nothing new in any higher level math application.

That's why I would never travel for an X Wing tournament.

You're missing out on a world of fun.

I travelled to three in September alone, 2 hours+ travel time each time. Had a whale of a time. What a great community of players we have.

All games have luck in them. It's called RNG, be it monopoly to X Wing, except maybe diplomacy, that doesn't use dice.

Care to explain RNG? I don't remember doin algebra last time I played x-wing, nor having to to measure airborne particulate with a fosimeter. It seems there are lots of definition of what RNG means.

RNG Range

RNG Ranger (Everquest)

RNG Relax NG (filename extension, schema language for XML)

RNG Army National Guard (usually seen as ARNG)

RNG Renormalization Group (theory used with k-epsilon turbulence models)

RNG Relative Neighborhood Graph

RNG Random Number God

RNG Roundnose Grenadier (FAO species name code)

RNG Really Nice Guy

RNG Reconfigurable Network Group

RNG Random NetHack God

RNG Radioactive Noble Gas

RNG Raising the Next Generation Program (Massachusetts)

RNG Real Next-Generation (Comcast)

RNG Rangeace

RNG Random Number Generator

When saying something is called a particular thing, it is bad form to use acronyms without first explaining what they mean.

Random Number Generator is what you are looking for here. RNG has become synonymous with randomness in general in the gaming-sphere, because Random number generators is where video games take their randomness from. It kind of spread into the board game scene lately. It is technicaly a wrong use of the term, but it has started to gain footing and more and more people will know what is meant by it.

Cheers Admiral, but Samophlange is what we call in the business.."Being a ****". It is also bad form to treat everyone on a forum like an idiot and feel that everything needs to be explained to them to the minutest detail. It isnt a FLGS squadron nickname, it's a bonafide common use term amongst gamers. I suggest you grow up a little and stop wasting peoples time with inane comments, which you know are stupid and do not advance the commentary any further. Or are you the new PGS and need to go on the blocked list?

There is only one definition of EADC,so how about you go look it up.

I disagree. RNG has no business being used in boardgames because we're not actually generating random numbers. Random symbols? Sure. We use RSG. It irks me that people incorrectly apply RNG to boardgames and expect everybody to jump on board when it is completely nonsensical.