Today is a day that will live in... well for me infamy. I haven't really played X-Wing for 10 months now, and honestly it's made me happy. I used to really like X-Wing, flying different ships, Y-Wings, X-Wings, seeing the new faction, but then it kept getting bigger.... and more new cards came, and more new cards, and the fifth iteration of the tie fighter, and then the resistance and the first order, and now the Patch today. Not only did X-Wing price me out with how much you have to buy, but it lack-of-funned (real word) me out.

X-Wing simply isn't fun anymore. If you don't buy everything the day it comes out you are already behind. There is no casual play, it's all tournament or league play and everyone has their META build and never deviate because they have to get ready for store, or regional, or national or World tournaments. I mean you used to not be able to get on here without seeing Fly Casual, not I'm not even sure that exists.

X-Wing is just simply too big now. There are too many cards, ships, combos (and yet most still only use one) and I refuse to continue buying three of one ships to get the card and never use the ships. How many B-Wings do I have, or Y-Wings. How many First Order Ties.

Maybe one day I will play X-Wing with the old ships, but sadly now they just collect dust while I enjoy other games.

I guess in a way this is a call for nostalgia and that maybe the game can revert to what it once was, hopeful thinking.

(I'm sure the comments for this will be glorious, because not only has the play not been casual but this forum has been a mine field)

100% agree.

EDIT: For some reason half my post was missing and I can't get it to post. Ignore this post as it's too much effort for me to bother trying to fix it.

Generally I would say when a group of people is consistently called 'fan boys' and the way they choose to play the game is repeatedly derided (called boring, unimaginative, sucking the fun out of things, etc) that strikes me as looking down upon that group of people. While that may not be the intent I think it's easy enough to see how these statements could be interpreted. As an example if I called epic play a ridiculous waste of time and space and casual trench run scenarios childish grasping at recreating movie scenes that might be seen as derision towards casual play (and casual players), no?

I absolutely agree that if someone is calling one group "fan boys" and "repeatedly derided (etc)" such a group that that is a bad thing. What I ask, though, is where has anyone done that in this thread?

And after 10 months....

OP is here.... in the x-wing forums.

Y'know... This thread reminds me I'd like to detail my Death Star trench setup a bit more. 6' x 3' with a 3" deep trench down the middle made for some excellent game play. I may have to drag it out to the local shop as well this year since it's only been used once with friends. I need 3D turbolaser turrets... FFG - we need turbolaser expansions!

What I ask, though, is where has anyone done that in this thread?

you mean other than the OP? Oh and Chucknuckle with this comment...

but if you only ever play 100/6 games then you're only playing the most boring, shallow aspect of the game.

I understand his frustration and honestly I have felt some of the same but I still like X-Wing.

I've been to an LGS where everyone is testing their tournament build. I do like having the ships and authentic cards and that is getting expensive. The game is adding depth (read getting complex) and to the point where the FAQ is 21 pages and without the FAQ the cards you purchased on the ships you don't play are just wrong.

But for all that I enjoy the Star Wars universe. I love X-Wing, I don't own multiple Scouts and won't play with multiples. If you think I'm a butt for that then I'm sorry. That isn't my attempt. I do want to play X-Wing casual and with missions. I do wish FFG would come out with more missions with suggested squads.

So to counter this I am buying less and less. But having the odd effect of actually playing more. I use less cards in the builds. Less interactions, more missions based goals when possible and still trying to put together an Epic game I see it on the horizon. In other words I'm having more fun.

And that's fun for you. For me, fun is creating a list that has a lot of intricate interactions, and seeing it all come together and work when playing. In otherwords, most the types of things I fly will be more oriented around competitive lists. I think people need to realize more that fun is highly subjective. For some people, 100/6 Tournament Deathmatches are fun, others Epic or Team Epic, others the missions. There's nothing wrong with being a casual player, or a tournament player, it really comes down to what you enjoy. Then find people who enjoy the same thing you do, and play with them.

Unfortunately, people like the OP don't look for the players that share common interests, throw a fit about how the game sucks, and take shots at the community.

I have to agree. When I was playing 40k Epic building the perfect Regiments, Divisions, Companies and assets was fun. Also I've met people who love the squad building more than actual playing. But I don't have the time for that. I have a wife, grandkids, job and actually play other games. So sometimes I just want to play without worrying about a Oicumm Double Tap or which card has errata on a 21 page FAQ.

We can each take from X-Wing what we like and leave what we don't. It is my hope that X-Wing doesn't push the casual players out. This can happen in the complexity of the rules, the cost of purchasing authentic playing pieces (ships and cards), the complexity of the 'standard' reasonably competitive squads, even just the crowds attitude toward other opinions. Plus a few other things.

But

Y'know... This thread reminds me I'd like to detail my Death Star trench setup a bit more. 6' x 3' with a 3" deep trench down the middle made for some excellent game play. I may have to drag it out to the local shop as well this year since it's only been used once with friends. I need 3D turbolaser turrets... FFG - we need turbolaser expansions!

There are free paper ones to download. I built a bunch o' them. Also, check out the Dagobah Dave Trench Run thread. He updated the mission and it's much better!

What I ask, though, is where has anyone done that in this thread?

you mean other than the OP? Oh and Chucknuckle with this comment...

but if you only ever play 100/6 games then you're only playing the most boring, shallow aspect of the game.

Touche' on the last comment. I didn't see it when I skimmed through.

Touche' on the last comment. I didn't see it when I skimmed through.

Understandable. A lot of posts to go though and easy to miss a single line.

Drum up a group for Heroes of the Aturi Cluster. Aside from the occasional epic match, it's the only way my friends and I play anymore. It's resilient to power creep and doesn't require any ship that isn't in the Original Trilogy (and X-Wing and TIE Fighter computer game universes) to play.

P.S.

I stand by what I said. X-Wing is lots of fun. If you like squad building, go for it. If you like tournaments then there are plenty. If you like casual then play casual and I do.

But I would like to add that the last part is getting a bit harder than some might think. If you play at an LGS with other people then others will have their own collection. This true even for gaming groups at people's home. Of course you can house rule that 'we don't play triple scouts' but this can only go so far and doesn't work well at an LGS. People have their favorites, favorite ships, builds, etc. So saying you (or in my case me) only play with certain ships, only with casual builds, etc. I've already limited my playing group. This is easy for me since I own so many ships, I supply them for both side, at my house. But as Game Stores I'm easily out matched. Out matched, regardless of my tactical abilities, by the people who study the interactions, memorize the FAQ and know the best synergies. Or just by the number of people that just want to practice their next tournament build.

Casual works but you have to find a group.

Casual works but you have to find a group.

Yes you do. But I don't believe that finding one is impossible, which what seems to be the common opinion... Mostly because it seems many people don't even bother trying.

It may even be difficult. But I just don't accept that most people at a LGS even those who like to play competitively wouldn't be interested in a casual X-Wing night say once a week or perhaps twice a month or something.

I enjoy playing against weird stuff because it's good practice for those first couple rounds where you'll play wacky stuff and it helps you learn to quickly figure out what a list is trying to do.

Casual works but you have to find a group.

Yes you do. But I don't believe that finding one is impossible, which what seems to be the common opinion... Mostly because it seems many people don't even bother trying.

It may even be difficult. But I just don't accept that most people at a LGS even those who like to play competitively wouldn't be interested in a casual X-Wing night say once a week or perhaps twice a month or something.

Well, I have chatted with people in odd situations. There is the extremely rural gamer that doesn't even have a lot of neighbors to draw upon. There is another guy in this thread I was PMing with who lives in Finland. They are extremely private and never game at each other's houses. There is only the LGS. The LGS heavily promotes tournaments only and once X-wing season is done, they move on to Netrunner or another game. That can be even harder to find the casual player. Not impossible, mind you, but harder than it is for people in large urban/suburban areas.

Not impossible, mind you, but harder than it is for people in large urban/suburban areas.

Oh I agree... I live in a rural area myself. I'm about an hour from St. Paul MN, so it's not too bad, but it's not easy to swing a 2 hour round trip on a weeknight to play X-Wing.

I know people on this board who live even farther away and for them finding anyone to play X-Wing with is very difficult. Of course they do have the option of Vassal, which well not quite the same is better than nothing.

But people like me know what they're getting into, and buy or don't accordingly... I wouldn't of ever started collecting X-Wing like I had if I didn't know I'd have people to play with.

Not impossible, mind you, but harder than it is for people in large urban/suburban areas.

Oh I agree... I live in a rural area myself. I'm about an hour from St. Paul MN, so it's not too bad, but it's not easy to swing a 2 hour round trip on a weeknight to play X-Wing.

I know people on this board who live even farther away and for them finding anyone to play X-Wing with is very difficult. Of course they do have the option of Vassal, which well not quite the same is better than nothing.

But people like me know what they're getting into, and buy or don't accordingly... I wouldn't of ever started collecting X-Wing like I had if I didn't know I'd have people to play with.

Haha. I was the opposite. I started collecting X-Wing because it was cool pre-painted ships with good detail and in the Star Wars universe. It was after I purchased a few ships that I started playing. Go figure.

But my advantage is that I own a collection that can support 2 to 4 players easily. I'm fortunate. But that also means that I have to play more at home rather than at stores because of the squad/tournament styles that often are present. I even drove 2 hours to one store only to find that on that weekend everything was a tournament and there were no casual games. My bad for not checking.

Y'know... This thread reminds me I'd like to detail my Death Star trench setup a bit more. 6' x 3' with a 3" deep trench down the middle made for some excellent game play. I may have to drag it out to the local shop as well this year since it's only been used once with friends. I need 3D turbolaser turrets... FFG - we need turbolaser expansions!

Shape ways because i didn't pay attention to the size when ordering. If they wanted to make some space stations that would be awesome also. I am fine with the hotac space station in the meantime though.

Y'know... This thread reminds me I'd like to detail my Death Star trench setup a bit more. 6' x 3' with a 3" deep trench down the middle made for some excellent game play. I may have to drag it out to the local shop as well this year since it's only been used once with friends. I need 3D turbolaser turrets... FFG - we need turbolaser expansions!

Shape ways because i didn't pay attention to the size when ordering. If they wanted to make some space stations that would be awesome also. I am fine with the hotac space station in the meantime though.

First question I always ask when playing someone is "Jank or serious?" Because there are a lot of fun lists that just don't stand a chance against a tier 1 list. Serious? Great, it's tournament practice time. Jank? Also great, it's time to fly some juke T-70s.

The only problem is occasionally when someone says serious and then plops down some atrocity of list building and I have to politely switch my list to something that won't steamroll them or they say jank and proceed to whip out Pal Aces (but with a different system card on the shuttle so it's a completely different list!)...

(I only read the OP)

How I learned to quit play X-Wing and love the atomic Bomb Life again.

I hope you get the other things in your life back on track too. The "other things" in life are what make people happy. Games are for entertainment. And the goal of entertainment is to have fun. If you're not happy- you can't have fun. And if your entertainment is overwhelming how can anyone have fun? X-wing can be played in very simple forms or it can be played in a detailed rule based tournament setting with highly skilled and enthusiastic "hard core" players.

My advice to anyone who isn't having fun playing X-wing: play more games with friends(no tournaments with strangers) that do not follow the tournament rule set like Missions or Epic ....and stop listening/watching to "tactical and competitive" x-wing podcasts and YouTube videos.

Last year I posted on FFG forums about how my doctors advised that I play X-wing everyday for my health. (I have anxiety disorder and depression along with a few other major health problems.) I still don't play every single day, but I tinker with in my hobby on a regular basis and now I am off 5 medications now- I lost 40 pounds and I no longer need a cane to walk. I only play in tournaments every once in awhile to get participation prizes- I just fly a fun list.

I LOVE YOU DEWBS!

See how nice we can be to each others... now get your heads right you miserable no good SOB'S you!

I also don't really play X-wing anymore, but I continue to read the forum and keep up with the meta because X-wing tournaments are actually really fun to watch.

I am reading the comments. Very informative.

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. As described by Wikipedia,

"The combined statistical area of the region is the second-largest in California (after the Greater Los Angeles area), the fifth-largest in the United States, and the 43rd-largest urban area in the world." We have nearly 8 million people in this area.

So, it is not rural. It is heavily urban. Yet, for me, I have to travel an hour to a game store for casual play. The closest store to me has phased out casual Star Wars. A year ago, every Tuesday night, there was casual Star Wars. Now it is for Dungeons and Dragons and Pathfinder.

Endgames in Oakland has a league night every other Monday and Eudamonia in Berkeley has a tournament. The latter does have time set aside for learnng to play the game scheduled for the end of this month. So, there's that. Further west, on the Peninsula, there are stores. Gamescape in SF has leagues and tournaments.

One of the problems is that there are not that many people playing the game. At minimum, there are 617 people who are members of the Facebook page. I do not know how many actually play at the game stores.

It is okay, I understand. I too left the fires of these forums to burn their own creators and subject to the ground not long ago. Now I live in the land of Ar-mah-da, where the sun is warm and the air is fresh. Though soon, this too shall pass, I fear. But go in peace my friend, your wisdom precedes you in leaving, don't fall to far behind its lead.

Goksknight12,

You, Sir, are in a rut. You need some change in your life. Somehow you have taken an awesome game like XWM (a game which you say you have enjoyed so much) and drained the FUN out of it... or have surrendered your fun to others. Try something new, like Epic... or anything but the 100 point meta-driven competitive-focused, tournament scene. How about playing scenarios, the published ones or some from Mission Control? If you want more fun, play casual with friends- everything is better with friends. I recommend Heroes of the Atturi Cluster (HotAC) as a change of pace- cooperative play is really a refreshing change from competitive play. If you cannot find someone else to play XWM with, consider going solo - HotAC is also an excellent choice for this as well. Whatever you do, don't give up on your favorite game; just remember WHY you played it and WHAT you enjoyed so much and do THAT... or spice things up and try something new.

Yeah, I talked down about 100/6, and I stand by it. It's dull and there's no Star Wars in it. It's a purely mechanical competition and the models are entirely unnecessary.

It's easy to tell people who are annoyed about the dominance of 100/6 to just find other people to play with, but it's a bit like Marie Antoinette telling the peasants to just eat cake.

There is no cake. Finding people who want to play stuff other than 100/6 is really hard for a lot of people. You've got people posting here that, over the course of YEARS, have found less than a handful of people who fit into that category.

And personally, I blame FFG for promulgating the 100/6 format exclusively. Well, almost exclusively. They release new and different tournament packs all the time, every release is geared towards and balanced towards the 100/6 format, and the casual players get... nothing. Nada. Zip. We get some afterthought campaigns and missions chucked into the large/huge ship boxes, but where are the league ladders, the campaign boxes and booklets, the prizes and terrain and 'random battle generators' and things that you see ALL THE TIME for other table top miniature games? Where is the real, meaningful support for players who want to play a Star Wars game, and not just a random tournament system with a Star Wars skin?

Even just declaring that there IS a standard format for playing the game has created a rift in the gaming community; those who want to play the standard, and those who want to play other games. At least in other game systems there is no standard play format so even people who enjoy playing tournaments are faced with a range of points values and scenarios to deal with, which in turn creates diversity for the community at large.