Today is a day that will live in... well for me infamy. I have really played X-wing for over 10 months now, and honestly it's made me happy. At the beginning I flew some ships, some A-wings and an X-wing. B-wings look cool but I've never had fun flying them. Scum was cool, but my Scyk and Starviper kept dying. Things were not big enough.

X-Wing simply wasn't that fun. Fat turrets were everywhere. But then, waves 7, 8, and 9 happened.

X-Wing is just simply big now. There are so many wonderful cards. Munitions were fixed! (and now removed, poor Contracted Scout ) Y-wings have a turret that actually matters and now they don't gather dust. Small Scum ships still die fast, but at least they have options beyond Brobots. Poe Dameron won worlds. Imperials have aces that are all colors of the rainbow.

Maybe one day I will play X-Wing with the new ships, but until 'The Boat' traverses the planet yet again, there are still many builds left to try.

I guess in a way this is a call for nostalgia and that maybe the game can keep progressing like it has in the past year, hopeful thinking.

The only thing that limits you to 100/6 is your own imagination.

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I have been playing since Wave 5 and in this time I have found a grand total of zero people willing to play any format other than 100 points 6 obstacles, save for two occasions

What actually limits you to 100/6 is opponents. If your opponents are unwilling to step away from the 100/6 format, then you don't get to play anything else. And most opponents are very unwilling to step away from it.

Ah... apply more beer.... then arrange your games.

But yeah that can be a problem, You saw it a lot in 40k too. It's a cultural issue really, so you have to change the culture, change the venue, find a pub that will let you play, get extra mates and play a doubles game. If people are getting stuck in a rut you have to shake things up.

In my experience there are dam-few FLGS left. There are plenty of CRAP LGS however. NEVER play there.

Like I have been saying for years now STAY AT HOME PLAY AT HOME or do like Rodent suggest too.

The LAST thing that I consider myself and my Friends: "Gamers".

There is no casual play

That fault is entirely on you. Bye!

wow your play friends sound boring. we do every thing from 29´point 12 player free for all to massive point epic, some times movie canon only and lots of HOTAC. so this game has so many different variates that there is no reason just to play 100 point matches

please send me a PM i'll give you my address so you can send me all your stuff

I have never once wanted to do the trench run, always thought it was one of the weakest part of any of the movies, yes even jar jar, pod racing, and even anakin's angsty monologues. Hey guys, there is a small attack force coming at us, let's only send 12 TIEs out cause the turbolasers aren't doing crap. The DSII, I can see wanting to do, but that's better as left to armada cause of scaling. You can do escort missions easily, you can do a lot of stuff mission wise, hell the epic ships even have campaigns that people completely overlook but demand campaigns to be made (unless you want to become mini gods, play HotAC, cause basically you can become stupidly broken powerful and the challenge is completely taken away, oh and one of the best parts of the game, out thinking an opponent because it's all easily understood AI).

I wanna know how you all ran through all the list types for "100/6" and found them boring. How have you played enough opponents to see how everyone approaches the game differently? I mean half the fun of this game is figuring out your opponents plan. I play around 4-6 games a week, and I STILL haven't touched half my ships, too many combos with ships I like to even begin having enough time to try the rest. Hell, I've been playing since wave 1. Is it the size limit? Personally that makes list building fun, cause then I have to be careful with how I choose to pick my ships, and I have played enough opponents to know, the bigger the size the more abilities are left forgotten even though they are on the field.

You think 2.0 would "de bloat" the game? Ha, no, it would just refine the game mechanics already put in and probably add even more. What you want is nostalgia driven games of yester day pass. But those aren't the days you want. I remember the days of people complaining about not enough diversity, the OPness of TIE swarms, the fact no one wanted to play named pilots, the fatest of Hans, the point fortresses of doom, the wily antics of whisper, etc. There has always been something people will complain about regardless of what a developer does, because it isn't what the players vision is, and so its wrong.

Your enjoyment falls on you. You coming into a game and expecting something it isn't, isn't the games fault. It isn't even the opponents fault. You choose to not enjoy the game because it isn't to your standards. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. What is wrong is the amount of belittling half the casual players, and at the same time in return the competitive players, do to those opposite of what they believe how the game is meant to be played. It took me 2 years to get enough people interested in just competitive play, so sometimes, if you want to get people to play the game the way you want, you have to put effort into getting people to do so. Passive aggressive angsting ain't helping anyone.

Today is a day that will live in... well for me infamy. I haven't really played X-Wing for 10 months now, and honestly it's made me happy. I used to really like X-Wing, flying different ships, Y-Wings, X-Wings, seeing the new faction, but then it kept getting bigger.... and more new cards came, and more new cards, and the fifth iteration of the tie fighter, and then the resistance and the first order, and now the Patch today. Not only did X-Wing price me out with how much you have to buy, but it lack-of-funned (real word) me out.

X-Wing simply isn't fun anymore. If you don't buy everything the day it comes out you are already behind. There is no casual play, it's all tournament or league play and everyone has their META build and never deviate because they have to get ready for store, or regional, or national or World tournaments. I mean you used to not be able to get on here without seeing Fly Casual, not I'm not even sure that exists.

X-Wing is just simply too big now. There are too many cards, ships, combos (and yet most still only use one) and I refuse to continue buying three of one ships to get the card and never use the ships. How many B-Wings do I have, or Y-Wings. How many First Order Ties.

Maybe one day I will play X-Wing with the old ships, but sadly now they just collect dust while I enjoy other games.

I guess in a way this is a call for nostalgia and that maybe the game can revert to what it once was, hopeful thinking.

(I'm sure the comments for this will be glorious, because not only has the play not been casual but this forum has been a mine field)

I dont get such comments - not matter where 40k, Armada, Attack Wing, X-Wing.... Why dont you just play with friends and some basic ships and cards then?

Why not just have a collection with "classical" fighters you like (3 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wings, 2 A-Wings / 5 TIE-Fighters, 2 TIE-Interceptors and 2 Assualt Gunboats perhaps) and just play with that and the cards you see fit.

I've loved nukes since I was fighting Japanese Rankers on Armored Core a while back. Truth be told, any game you lose the feeling for becomes a detriment to you, and leaving isn't a bad thing.

Many of us understand, even if the die hards don't show any sympathy.

Play with your non-LGS friends. You know, those peeps who watch Star Wars with you but don't play the games yet. Introduce them to X-wing. Missions, HOTAC, and house rules/missions. Make a safe haven to satisfy your inner casual.

X-Wing is a pretty decent, reasonably balanced game. A typical 3-faction fleet (epic ships included) costs only as much as a single ultra-imbalanced-foil-secret-rainbow-card by Siths of the coast or Con-a-mie. Whether you want to keep up with the rat race to stay in the meta or play to your heart's content is entirely up to you. Just don't let your investment gone to waste.

If nothing can convince you to stay, PM me for more information on eco-friendly ship disposal.

Today is a day that will live in... well for me infamy. I haven't really played X-Wing for 10 months now, and honestly it's made me happy. I used to really like X-Wing, flying different ships, Y-Wings, X-Wings, seeing the new faction, but then it kept getting bigger.... and more new cards came, and more new cards, and the fifth iteration of the tie fighter, and then the resistance and the first order, and now the Patch today. Not only did X-Wing price me out with how much you have to buy, but it lack-of-funned (real word) me out.

X-Wing simply isn't fun anymore. If you don't buy everything the day it comes out you are already behind. There is no casual play, it's all tournament or league play and everyone has their META build and never deviate because they have to get ready for store, or regional, or national or World tournaments. I mean you used to not be able to get on here without seeing Fly Casual, not I'm not even sure that exists.

X-Wing is just simply too big now. There are too many cards, ships, combos (and yet most still only use one) and I refuse to continue buying three of one ships to get the card and never use the ships. How many B-Wings do I have, or Y-Wings. How many First Order Ties.

Maybe one day I will play X-Wing with the old ships, but sadly now they just collect dust while I enjoy other games.

I guess in a way this is a call for nostalgia and that maybe the game can revert to what it once was, hopeful thinking.

(I'm sure the comments for this will be glorious, because not only has the play not been casual but this forum has been a mine field)

So you came back after 10 months to say goodbye, thats very sweet of you.

..but also a small rant, thats perhaps a little salty.

Forget the atom bomb...

so, why are you still here if you don't play?

Today is a day that will live in... well for me infamy. I haven't really played X-Wing for 10 months now, and honestly it's made me happy. I used to really like X-Wing, flying different ships, Y-Wings, X-Wings, seeing the new faction, but then it kept getting bigger.... and more new cards came, and more new cards, and the fifth iteration of the tie fighter, and then the resistance and the first order, and now the Patch today. Not only did X-Wing price me out with how much you have to buy, but it lack-of-funned (real word) me out.

X-Wing simply isn't fun anymore. If you don't buy everything the day it comes out you are already behind. There is no casual play, it's all tournament or league play and everyone has their META build and never deviate because they have to get ready for store, or regional, or national or World tournaments. I mean you used to not be able to get on here without seeing Fly Casual, not I'm not even sure that exists.

X-Wing is just simply too big now. There are too many cards, ships, combos (and yet most still only use one) and I refuse to continue buying three of one ships to get the card and never use the ships. How many B-Wings do I have, or Y-Wings. How many First Order Ties.

Maybe one day I will play X-Wing with the old ships, but sadly now they just collect dust while I enjoy other games.

I guess in a way this is a call for nostalgia and that maybe the game can revert to what it once was, hopeful thinking.

(I'm sure the comments for this will be glorious, because not only has the play not been casual but this forum has been a mine field)

That's funny, can you tell me the wave of Biggs, Lambda, Tie Interceptors, Howlrunner etc?...

Seems to me that a lot of "the old ways" still playble with new guys (:

Seriously, I can't understand toughts like this one :-/

Well you guys did me a favor, I had to redownload my Paizo 3rd party White Necromancer pdf after looking at the new Xwing faq.

Atomic Bomb? So OP has started playing Fallout I take it? I mean, even that gets tedious when you realise that you have to raid eight settlements that you have already built up as part of the Minutemen as a way to covertly assist the Brotherhood of Steel amass enough support to take on the Institute who, when they learn of the fact you are now a Raider consider you corrupted by the Wasteland which just fuels your wrath more.

Then you have the Railroad, people just want everyone to get along.

What I am trying to say is, play anything long enough and you will realise you hate synths in any form.

On a more serious note, competitive fatigue is a thing. You need to play casual every now an again just so you can reaffirm why you got into the game in the first place. For our club, that means an Epic game once a month with a custom mission to spice it up.

Or play Guild Ball, Armada, Infinity, Firefly, Full Thrust, Overwatch, Zombicide, etc. etc.

Play Epic, seriously play team epic especially. That is where the straight up fun is.

I mean you used to not be able to get on here without seeing Fly Casual, not I'm not even sure that exists.

Hey! First off, I know exactly what you are saying. You aren't the only one to feel this way. I do completely understand what you are saying and you aren't the only one out there that feels this way. Ignore all the blow hards that are just rude in this response. The forums are full of 100/6 fanboys.

THERE IS X-WING BEYOND 100/6.

I've started a podcast on the whole concept of Casual X-wing as I felt exactly like you do. I've never had more fun playing the game than since I started going Casual. There are so many ways to play the game. There are fan missions (Dagobah Dave's Trench Run), FFG missions, Epic, 20 asteroids, 150 pts, and so many other variants to try.

You want the simplest way to find joy in playing X-wing again? Try playing Heroes of the Aturi Cluster (or HotAC) with some friends. You can play with 2-6 players in a co-op game of X-wing. It's also a campaign that lets you build your character and squad up. The missions are hard and the AI is actually tougher than you think it is. It uses all the classic ships. Also, it's gotten enough fame that you can probably find some local players that would be willing to try it.

Might I also suggest my podcast? It gets about 1000 downloads per episode. There is even a whole episode based on building the Casual scene in your area. If you are even thinking of trying X-wing again, then I recommend trying my podcast. It's free and it might even entice you to use those figures you spent so much money on.

Play Epic, seriously play team epic especially. That is where the straight up fun is.

Yeah if you want STAR WARS like it was in the films... for sure.

I'm curious about the psychology of someone that opens with a seemingly negative post to unnecessarily let people know that they have "quit" a game that they clearly must still be following, and then closes it talking about the forums being "a minefield." One should probably expect negative responses to a negative topic. It seems like the past was meant to actually do just that.

X-Wing has changed and grown. I for one love it, not everyone does. I love 100/6 because it's the format everyone knows. It's like the language Basic in the Star Wars universe, you go somewhere and someone will get it. Not to mention, while other formats are certainly fun, they can take a while. I don't often have a lot of time to play, and a standard game is done in 1-2 hours. When I have more time I would rather play Armada (which is IMHO a superior game in every way except the time requirement) or zombicide or another board game.

I get why some don't like it, but man, why so salty about it? If you aren't having fun, move on and I hope you find a fun game (or other hobby/pasttime) to enjoy. Best of luck!

(FYI, not sarcastic at all, I sincerely wish you the best)

I just always enjoy these threads because they're precisely predictable. Original post describes frustrations that always come back to them not having fun anymore. Replies initially start with typical lack of sympathy or statements that people still enjoy the game. A few 'freedom fighters' emerge invariably decrying '100/6' and calling the people who play the best selling miniature game that exists currently in the format it ships in fan boys (just let that sink in). Eventually the 'fan boys' and the people who like star wars more than they like the game ffg has made (ironically not fan boys?) start arguing and the thread is either abandoned or locked.

I just always enjoy these threads because they're precisely predictable. Original post describes frustrations that always come back to them not having fun anymore. Replies initially start with typical lack of sympathy or statements that people still enjoy the game. A few 'freedom fighters' emerge invariably decrying '100/6' and calling the people who play the best selling miniature game that exists currently in the format it ships in fan boys (just let that sink in). Eventually the 'fan boys' and the people who like star wars more than they like the game ffg has made (ironically not fan boys?) start arguing and the thread is either abandoned or locked.

Why do you think that 100/6 is the format X-Wing is meant to be played in... I seem to have a lot of pieces of paper with scenarios written on, some involving Huge ships that suggest that they always wanted there to be more than one way to play.

I'm curious about the psychology of someone that opens with a seemingly negative post to unnecessarily let people know that they have "quit" a game that they clearly must still be following, and then closes it talking about the forums being "a minefield." One should probably expect negative responses to a negative topic. It seems like the past was meant to actually do just that.

I get why some don't like it, but man, why so salty about it? If you aren't having fun, move on and I hope you find a fun game (or other hobby/pasttime) to enjoy. Best of luck!

I can understand if someone spent hundreds of dollars on a game and a lot of time on it....and it changed to something they didn't like. I mean, it's not that much of a stretch. I think it's natural for people to want to give a parting shot at what they feel frustrated about as they are about to kiss the game goodbye forever. I consider it a declaration to be proofed wrong.

I just always enjoy these threads because they're precisely predictable. Original post describes frustrations that always come back to them not having fun anymore. Replies initially start with typical lack of sympathy or statements that people still enjoy the game. A few 'freedom fighters' emerge invariably decrying '100/6' and calling the people who play the best selling miniature game that exists currently in the format it ships in fan boys (just let that sink in). Eventually the 'fan boys' and the people who like star wars more than they like the game ffg has made (ironically not fan boys?) start arguing and the thread is either abandoned or locked.

I see your side on the matter based on the biased response. I guess I'd be one of the "freedom fighters", but I don't really decry 100/6. I just say that there is more to the game than just 100/6. I personally hate all the people who love 100/6 and show nothing but disdain for those that even try to play anything but. They certainly come out in spades on these forums. I think most people are in the middle and like tournament level 100/6 and casual games. I think they are both fine. I think people who use the term "fanboy" (like I did) refer to those that are FFG fanboys who pretty much get rude to anyone even trying to talk tactics/strategy for X-wing on anything less than Worlds level "competitiveness" on these forums. I think most people are pretty cool on the matter.

I suppose I should have made it more clear I don't actually have any spite for 'casual' play be it scenarios, epic, furballs, whatever, they're fun enough. I certainly prefer 100/6 but I mostly meant to express my amusement when '100/6ers' are looked down upon even though they play the format that ffg seems to devote the most effort to (hence the large faq and tournament guidelines, tournament structure, etc).

wow your play friends sound boring. we do every thing from 29´point 12 player free for all to massive point epic, some times movie canon only and lots of HOTAC. so this game has so many different variates that there is no reason just to play 100 point matches

please send me a PM i'll give you my address so you can send me all your stuff

I still love x-wing. I think it's only fair that we divide the ships evenly.

The thing is for every tournament player there will be 10s if not 100s of casual gamers you will never see, because they will be playing at home with their mates over a pizza. But to think that the FAQ is not for them is probably wrong, they will still check the FAQ if they need an answer on how something works. And balance is still important to them (I remember when I worked for GW getting 2 or 3 phone calls a day with rule queries). Tournaments build hype, etc, but they are not how these games make money. It's just best to think of them as a way to advertise the game and a good way to get more playtest data than you can get from your core playtesters. It was one of the things that surprised me when I started working in the industry, because the tournament players are so visable and you won't see Bill and Bob, which have a complete collection of ships and meet up once a fortnight to play a big battle while there wives have a natter and watch Strictly.

I'm curious about the psychology of someone that opens with a seemingly negative post to unnecessarily let people know that they have "quit" a game that they clearly must still be following, and then closes it talking about the forums being "a minefield." One should probably expect negative responses to a negative topic. It seems like the past was meant to actually do just that.

I get why some don't like it, but man, why so salty about it? If you aren't having fun, move on and I hope you find a fun game (or other hobby/pasttime) to enjoy. Best of luck!

I can understand if someone spent hundreds of dollars on a game and a lot of time on it....and it changed to something they didn't like. I mean, it's not that much of a stretch. I think it's natural for people to want to give a parting shot at what they feel frustrated about as they are about to kiss the game goodbye forever. I consider it a declaration to be proofed wrong.

I just always enjoy these threads because they're precisely predictable. Original post describes frustrations that always come back to them not having fun anymore. Replies initially start with typical lack of sympathy or statements that people still enjoy the game. A few 'freedom fighters' emerge invariably decrying '100/6' and calling the people who play the best selling miniature game that exists currently in the format it ships in fan boys (just let that sink in). Eventually the 'fan boys' and the people who like star wars more than they like the game ffg has made (ironically not fan boys?) start arguing and the thread is either abandoned or locked.

I see your side on the matter based on the biased response. I guess I'd be one of the "freedom fighters", but I don't really decry 100/6. I just say that there is more to the game than just 100/6. I personally hate all the people who love 100/6 and show nothing but disdain for those that even try to play anything but. They certainly come out in spades on these forums. I think most people are in the middle and like tournament level 100/6 and casual games. I think they are both fine. I think people who use the term "fanboy" (like I did) refer to those that are FFG fanboys who pretty much get rude to anyone even trying to talk tactics/strategy for X-wing on anything less than Worlds level "competitiveness" on these forums. I think most people are pretty cool on the matter.

I'm not saying that the person in question doesn't have a reason to feel negatively about it. I just think it's maybe a little hypocritical to openly post your negative thoughts and at the end of it proactively call out all the negative responses that you know you're going to get as an example of the community not flying casually. I don't play competitively at all, but i certainly don't think any less of those that do and i definitely don't for a second think that they a ruining x-wing for me. I can find individuals like me that just want to have fun and play with our ships the way we choose. I can be the change that i want to see. There are several examples on these forums of a positive way to go about things, such as yourself developing a TIE punisher mission to have fun with a friend that loves those ships (as competitively awful as they are). Berating casual players probably take more shots at competitive players than vice versa on this forum. Competitive players, tournaments, and the 100/6 forum aren't ruining x-wing. They are helping it continue to grow. Doesn't mean we all have to play that way, but it certainly isn't damaging to the game.