Kanan Jarus and Inertial Dampeners

By General Veers, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Can a ship with Kanan as crew use intertial dampeners to perform a white stationary maneuver, and then remove the stress token with Kanan?

I think so. The ship Kanan is on is friendly to itself and within range 1-2.

No, for the same reason you can't use it with Daredevil (which is also on the front page of the rules forums right now). Kanan triggers immediately after the white stop maneuver, which happens before the upgrade card assigns you a stress.

Now, you CAN pop it when you have a stress so that you still only have one stress at the end.

No, for the same reason you can't use it with Daredevil (which is also on the front page of the rules forums right now). Kanan triggers immediately after the white stop maneuver, which happens before the upgrade card assigns you a stress.

Now, you CAN pop it when you have a stress so that you still only have one stress at the end.

Interesting. So inertial dampners says 'Perform a white 0, then receive a stress". So Kanan would interrupt this card text and act in between the action and the cost?

Interesting. So inertial dampners says 'Perform a white 0, then receive a stress". So Kanan would interrupt this card text and act in between the action and the cost?

I came to the forums looking for an answer to this question, but I remain unconvinced.

* Kanan: "after a friendly ship at Range 1-2 executes a white maneuver, you may remove 1 stress token from that ship"

* Inertial Dampeners: "When you reveal your maneuver, you may discard this card to instead perform a white [0] maneuver. Then receive 1 stress token."

The discarding of ID appears to happen immediately after you reveal the dial. The act of discarding allows the player "to instead perform a white [0] maneuver." I think my confusion starts as to whether the statement "to instead perform" means you are now allowed to perform it, or if you actually perform the maneuver right then.

If you receive the stress after you actually execute the maneuver, then we are comparing whether "after" (from Kanan) happens at the same time "Then" does from ID. I see folks saying that Kanan "interrupts" the wording of ID. Again, I this seems to be based on the idea that "after" must happen before "then". Are there precedents anyone can point to for that?

Edited by procopper

"After X do Y" isn't the same thing in X-Wing as "Do X, then do Y"

"Do X, then do Y" might as well be "Do X, do everything that is After X, then do Y"

If you receive the stress after you actually execute the maneuver, then we are comparing whether "after" (from Kanan) happens at the same time "Then" does from ID. I see folks saying that Kanan "interrupts" the wording of ID. Again, I this seems to be based on the idea that "after" must happen before "then". Are there precedents anyone can point to for that?

As WWHSD said, you can't use the triggered timing collision rules on sequences, whether in the rules or on cards.

Similar case: Kanan and Daredevil.

The best similar case is with PtL and Experimental Interface.

You can use both on the same turn, before getting two stress tokens because there is an interruption. You do action, you do action thanks to EI, you do action from PtL, then you get PtL stress and you get EI stress.

The best similar case is with PtL and Experimental Interface.

You can use both on the same turn, before getting two stress tokens because there is an interruption. You do action, you do action thanks to EI, you do action from PtL, then you get PtL stress and you get EI stress.

The problem with that example is that it can still work in the incorrect interpretation. The question before was: does this work because you choose to do things in the right order, or because you have to do things in the right order.

I see it this way:

1. Reveal your maneuver and decide to use ID.

2. Perform white maneuver.

2.1 Here is where anything after maneuver is allowed.

3. Then receive stress.

It's like, you cannot choose whether you would prefer to use it after your maneuver and after taking stress. In theory, even the combat phase is "after maneuver" but still you are not allowed to shed Tactician's stress through Kanan and that seems pretty obvious. Why here we have a problem? Maneuver and receiving a stress are separate "events" (don't know how to call it), that may trigger different effects AND what is even more important it is clearly separated with the word then. If there is AND you cannot interrupt, as both effects comes in together.