After reading the FAQ it looks like you use G8s before the Determine Course step begins.

Edit Never mind. I see the FFG clarified to before the step.

I..... I...... I....... I don't even know what to say.

Guys G8 IS BEFORE THE DETERMINE COURSE STEP. It's not during its not after a token. It is before.

If the controlling player has begun plotting their course in any way or have spent a token of dial to effect their course/speed it is to late to use G8. It is that simple.

According to what? Do a Dras break down and have key points from the RRG stating all key words and describe how it is without a doubt before the Determine Course step. As of right now, the problem I am having is "resolve" being included in the card text, because all other instances resolve is the conclusion/ending/using an effect.

Before.

I've said my part.

Doing something else now.

After reading the FAQ it looks like you use G8s before the Determine Course step begins.

That is a resonable inference on the intent, but resolve is not a clear word. It could be the whole determine course process or the completion of it. With a drastically different result for each. In any case g8 is a point in time "before" keyword, not a window of time "during". So neither interpretation causes a conflict with you Nav token.

The first ruling on G8s in the FAQ only makes sense if they are used before the Determine Course step.

I..... I...... I....... I don't even know what to say.

Guys G8 IS BEFORE RESOLVING THE DETERMINE COURSE STEP. It's not during its not after a token. It is before.

FTFY

As has been stated resolving will never be a defined term. It has no place in the list. Resolve would mean something like "before said affects completion"

Well FFG broke that down into two definitions "before" and "while". Resolve would have no place in the defined terms list that those two don't cover. As GK pointed out resolve is consistently used in the rrg to mean "do".

This can't be more clear.

It could be much more clear.

Here's hoping they eventually do that.

At the risk of giving Tirion a heart attack:

I actually think you can declare G-8s anytime while the person is fiddling with the Man tool. When they "Resolve" it and notch it is too late.

That said I agree it shouldn't be a big deal. I agree with Caldias. When a player has G-8s there should be upfront communication throughout the game. If you rush your Man tool fiddling to avoid this you're just being a $%*#.

At the risk of giving Tirion a heart attack:

I actually think you can declare G-8s anytime while the person is fiddling with the Man tool. When they "Resolve" it and notch it is too late.

That said I agree it shouldn't be a big deal. I agree with Caldias. When a player has G-8s there should be upfront communication throughout the game. If you rush your Man tool fiddling to avoid this you're just being a $%*#.

Rushing your man tool leads to all kinds of premature problems.

At the risk of giving Tirion a heart attack:

I actually think you can declare G-8s anytime while the person is fiddling with the Man tool. When they "Resolve" it and notch it is too late.

That said I agree it shouldn't be a big deal. I agree with Caldias. When a player has G-8s there should be upfront communication throughout the game. If you rush your Man tool fiddling to avoid this you're just being a $%*#.

Agreed.

And I would be very happy if they just put a note that says "The card should read: ..." and removed the word 'resolves' altogether.

I can't respond I had a heart attack.....

Okay. Going forward, I'm agreeing with GK, since he stated the first manipulation of the MAN tool. Then, I'm gonna print out Tirion's "This can't be more clear" statement in bold type face on a sheet of paper and present it to a TO that rules otherwise.....Seems legit....

Okay. Going forward, I'm agreeing with GK, since he stated the first manipulation of the MAN tool. Then, I'm gonna print out Tirion's "This can't be more clear" statement in bold type face on a sheet of paper and present it to a TO that rules otherwise.....Seems legit....

Notes are not permitted in Tournaments.

Okay. Going forward, I'm agreeing with GK, since he stated the first manipulation of the MAN tool. Then, I'm gonna print out Tirion's "This can't be more clear" statement in bold type face on a sheet of paper and present it to a TO that rules otherwise.....Seems legit....

Notes are not permitted in Tournaments.

Wear it on a T-shirt!

How I imagine Tirion during this convo:

How I imagine GK after this convo:

How I imagine GK after this convo:

That is actually EXACTLY what he looks like when he walks the dogs. (And after notching his man tool.)

How I imagine Tirion during this convo:

I can't stop laughing

Soooooo.... wait till the next FAQ for an answer?

This thread so funny

A lot of these complaints seem to be centered on common-sense or already addressed issues (BCC) that some players just did not like the answer to.

We have two conflicting, opposite answers to BCC. Even if they weren't conflicting, "the designer told me so at the grocery store yesterday" hardly counts as "addressed".

this one is English 101

the rule that every who said it does not stack quotes, states you can use the same source twice

two different card are two different sources.

the name is not the source the card is.

Now I can understand the error if English is not your first language but come on.

I have an opinion.

Here it is.

The matter is settled.

I don't even know why I'm still in this thread.

Yeah! Gif war!

As of right now, the problem I am having is "resolve" being included in the card text, because all other instances resolve is the conclusion/ending/using an effect.

Right, I've done this before, in the proper thread, but I must confess I find this ordeal fascinating, so here it goes again.

Resolve is never used in the RRG to mean "the conclusion/ending." It might mean something close on a card or in the FAQ, in the past tense, but there's no trace of this concept in the RRG itself.

Now, I'll agree with you, resolve is used to mean "using an effect."

But whenever you resolve an effect, surely it means you do the whole deal. To resolve G8, you tap the card and declare intent. To resolve Leading shots, you spend the die, pick the dice you want and reroll them.

In other words, to resolve something in Armada, you just read the **** card and do everything you're told.

And now, more interestingly, resolve is used in the RRG to mean "proceed through the step".

Attack, p2: "Attack: To perform an attack with a squadron or ship, resolve the following steps:"

Quick Reference, p16 : "Attack resolution: To perform an attack with a squadron or ship, proceed through the following steps:"

Now, that's a direct substitution in the same context. This is linguistic proof that in the context of the document, A means B.

But that's probably not going to be enough. Luckily, examples are aplenty.

Attack, p2: "Resolve Damage: The attacker can resolve one of its critical effects. Then the attacker determines the total damage amount. Then the defending squadron or hull zone suffers that total damage, one point at a time."

How do you "resolve damage?"

Again, the whole step is a process with several operations, one of which is the possible resolution of a crit effect (we need to go deeper!). Just like you can resolve a navigate command while resolving the determine course step.

There's a before you resolve damage (every step of the attack phase beforehand), there's a while you resolve damage (any operation within) and there's an after you resolve damage, or after damage is resolved if you prefer (every step of the attack afterwards, so something like Declare additional targets or your second attack). Why on earth would that work differently for the Determine course step?

And this is why, kids, resolve does not mean what you think it means.

It's almost as if they had defined timing words in a separate entry in the RRG, and the word resolve was just language with no timing information at all.

Regardless of fair play, or how things would go around a table, RAW dictate that G8 is declared before the determine course step and its effect is resolved before the determine course step. And now, magically, not a single timing issue. No MTG interrupt, no fiddling, no problem.

You can resume GIF posting.

^ I said that already - but your quotes look waaay better than mine