The Pelta still looks like being cut out form a cartoon... Way too vivid in colors, nothing natural or organic. And small base? Seriously? Such a big ship and strong firepower? I think this ship will be at least in par with the AFII if not stronger and still only a small base...

I may be entirely off base here, but the Pelta looks very much like a built-up CR-90.

More likely, because of the in-universe timeline, the CR-90 is a stripped-down Pelta.

It may just be a case of similar architecture propagating in completely unrelated designs. I mean, look at modern navy destroyers, frigates, and corvettes! Curvy hulls with radar junk in the middle- that's a pretty apt description of pretty much every modern surface combatant

More likely, because of the in-universe timeline, the CR-90 is a stripped-down Pelta.

Which is not the case.

It even looks much bigger than the Arquitens despite beeing only a bit larger (+32m).

Apparently the Build the Millennium Falcon model set booklet referenced to Arquitens as being 325m.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-737

I made some calculations about its possible length, based on the scene where the Sentinel class has docked with the ship in 'Rebels'. I estimate that about two Sentinels could fit into the forked opening and that results into an opening of 76 meters (a Sentinel is 38 meters). Compared to the total length of the Arquitens, that could result in a total length of +/- 325 meters. It does seem rather large, because the Consular Cruisers are only 115 meters and the Pelta Cruisers are 282 meters.

I agree the Pelta does look too big. I mean, obviously this could very well have a perspective we are not aware of that makes appear so.

But I mean, the AF is too big, the Neb is too small, so maybe they just are saying what the hell, here is a ship.

I think they want to make sure the table looks good. It mixes it up when used with another MSU list, I know I'm hyped to make an all Rebels themed list.

No opposing Vaders please

I think they want to make sure the table looks good. It mixes it up when used with another MSU list, I know I'm hyped to make an all Rebels themed list.

No opposing Vaders please

This is how a table looks good:

Those models look great however personally I would prefer them slightly larger. The corvette should be the size of a Gozanti and the Nebulon B slightly larger. Otherwise they're going to look weird next to the fighters.

I wonder if the crux of the problem with scaling comes down not to the small ships but the larger ones. Maybe FFG should have made the Star Destroyer and Mon Calamari star cruisers slightly larger then they are?

The Pelta still looks like being cut out form a cartoon...

I mean... it technically is, so... nailed it?

The Pelta looks to blocky n chunky like the AF. Not a big fan of the color scheme either... I just can't like it, which sucks because I am a Rebel player and I can't wait to use it.

.... Because everything has to remain the colour it is when you buy it...

*cackles madly*

Yea I know I can paint it, but I'm still learning techniques. I only have 4 squads painted, and 3 of them turned out poorly because of the flash from my primer...they look crusty. So I won't get around to painting them for a while because I still have a lot to paint.

Yea I know I can paint it, but I'm still learning techniques. I only have 4 squads painted, and 3 of them turned out poorly because of the flash from my primer...they look crusty. So I won't get around to painting them for a while because I still have a lot to paint.

Unlike me, who only has 2 ISD's, 3 VSD's, 2 Int's, 3 GSD's, 4 Raiders, 2 Mk.I Assault Frigates due this weekend I'm trying to learn how to not fall over and die after that.

-laughs- The Imperial Light Cruiser looks terrific, though I'm sensing I'mgoing to have a bit of milliput work on the seams for the engines. I'monly going to have to do a little work to make them fit in keeping with the one I already have. But that Peltas... I was excited by the render but less so here. But a single oil wash, pick out a highlight on the leading edge, maybe some sponging for chips and it'll be pretty good with all those big open surfaces. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun to paint though.

Thanks mates, the pictures are pretty good and real promising. Some good sized ships... now, to find a bigger display shelf.

Yea I know I can paint it, but I'm still learning techniques. I only have 4 squads painted, and 3 of them turned out poorly because of the flash from my primer...they look crusty. So I won't get around to painting them for a while because I still have a lot to paint.

Unlike me, who only has 2 ISD's, 3 VSD's, 2 Int's, 3 GSD's, 4 Raiders, 2 Mk.I Assault Frigates due this weekend I'm trying to learn how to not fall over and die after that.

-laughs- The Imperial Light Cruiser looks terrific, though I'm sensing I'mgoing to have a bit of milliput work on the seams for the engines. I'monly going to have to do a little work to make them fit in keeping with the one I already have. But that Peltas... I was excited by the render but less so here. But a single oil wash, pick out a highlight on the leading edge, maybe some sponging for chips and it'll be pretty good with all those big open surfaces. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun to paint though.

Thanks mates, the pictures are pretty good and real promising. Some good sized ships... now, to find a bigger display shelf.

I am envious of your work and constantly comparing mine to yours, and even use yours for reference for highlighting/color schemes. I am trying to get over the hump knowing I have to sit and paint to learn the skills before I will get better but I don't want to have ugly models. The struggle is real

Yea I know I can paint it, but I'm still learning techniques. I only have 4 squads painted, and 3 of them turned out poorly because of the flash from my primer...they look crusty. So I won't get around to painting them for a while because I still have a lot to paint.

Unlike me, who only has 2 ISD's, 3 VSD's, 2 Int's, 3 GSD's, 4 Raiders, 2 Mk.I Assault Frigates due this weekend I'm trying to learn how to not fall over and die after that.

-laughs- The Imperial Light Cruiser looks terrific, though I'm sensing I'mgoing to have a bit of milliput work on the seams for the engines. I'monly going to have to do a little work to make them fit in keeping with the one I already have. But that Peltas... I was excited by the render but less so here. But a single oil wash, pick out a highlight on the leading edge, maybe some sponging for chips and it'll be pretty good with all those big open surfaces. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun to paint though.

Thanks mates, the pictures are pretty good and real promising. Some good sized ships... now, to find a bigger display shelf.

I am envious of your work and constantly comparing mine to yours, and even use yours for reference for highlighting/color schemes. I am trying to get over the hump knowing I have to sit and paint to learn the skills before I will get better but I don't want to have ugly models. The struggle is real

Then learn the wonders of Simple Green, my Friend

Thanks mate, it does take quite some time. well, even I've gotten a lot better since I started painting Armada. It's all just a learning experience, and you keep going if you keep pushing new techniques and trying new things.

And experimentation doesn't always work, so it's best to have some Simple Green on hand

If that ILC is anything to go by, aside from a potential bit of splatter from ill applied wash (like a few Imperial ships), this looks ready to go out of the box. I mean, a line here and there won't hurt but it's still a nice looking model. But the Peltas might need some work, even if the actual model looks pretty promising. Now, the Defenders, I'm worrying about mold lines already, but the squadrons in general look pretty nice. That ghost is pretty large, the VT looks a touch small, but I'm sorta hoping to see what details the Z-95 have on them.

CR 90 is CEC and 150m long

Pelta is KDY and at least 250m long from known airlock size and its visibility on the sides

Given overlapping production times, one could say the republic wanted standardized bridge or ship construction for ease of service and cross compatibility... But seriously, they should have made the Pelta CEC. Yet another amateur lore move on Rebels. No surprise

Amature lore move.... because it doesn't conform yo your headcannon about strict development parentage (regardless of outside possibility such as what happened with the VSD)? Have we met before, maybe in a technicolour miniature horse land?

KDY ships have a very consistent look. Either the three engine light cruiser, or the flying wedge, or a combination there of.

CEC too has a consistent look, with many of its vessels have the hammer head look.

The forebridge of the Pelta is a near exact copy of the CEC look and has absolutely nothing in common besides loosely the comms tower with anything KDY. The idea that KDY would dip into the frigate field to compete with their own existing frigate and light cruiser line with a contemporary model that clearly emulated a lesser rivals aesthetic is silly.

I'm sorry if an understanding of SW ship design rooted in a deep and longstanding of design features typical to almost all pre existing canon, new canon, and legends capital ships is "head canon" to you, but if you're unable to see CEC design in the Pelta and your fall back is some bizarre "anything is possible, don't dare question the MLP genius of the Rebels technical staff", who if they had some clever explanation for a Ford being built by Chevy, haven't shared it, then you've already removed yourself from this conversation.

Plus I already provided a possible explanation for such a thing in the post you knee-jerk whined about. Anyone who thinks Rebels has maintained good continuity with any form of canon (including its own internal canon), is either blind or drinking way too much pre-teenage fanboi koolaide. I bet you think Enterprise was solid Star Trek lore usage too?

Bah, you're not sorry. The Lords of the North know an apology. Thou hast much to learn, my young and emotional apprentice It grieves me to report, thy headcanon remains noncanon. And lo, here I remain, eh?

Surely a lore master such as yourself knows that the VSD came from Walex Blissex's Rendili design team to replace KDY's Venator, and KDY responded after by using Lira Blissex's design for the ISD. Litmus test time. Which is closer: the Venator and VSD, or VSD and ISD?

As with all things corporate in war, it gets parceled out for ease of production, new modes of thought often stick, even if they're not good or appropriate at the time (we have a lot of real life parallels here. The whole battlecruiser concept is a fun one to go over). Designs stick, corporate names in the defense industry stay the same but design teams can change and they bring with them their old modes of thought and familiarity. That's also bypassing the whole 'recognizable brand identity' thing that industries sorta like.

I'm not sure about the Star Trek one: is that the one with Kirk? I like the Kirk, he's so much more fun than that bald British chap they tried to put in after that. Must be my age showing.

Rebels wasn't the first source to portray the Pelta as a KDY model. Saga Edition's Clone Wars Campaign Guide did that some time before:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pelta-class_frigate/Legends

and didn't Incredible Vehicles repeat it? The Databank was merely following already established info.

KDY ships have a very consistent look. Either the three engine light cruiser, or the flying wedge, or a combination there of.

Well played Vykes.

Maybe KDY has a speciality for Medical Frigates in general - a little experimentation with the chassis, and how much it can be used for other Frigate subclasses (they're also seen being used as cargo transports in TCW) - but the basic idea is the same?

Presumably, it was created for the Grand Army - so KDY did all of the classes they thought the Grand Army would need to support them, transport them, etc.

CR 90 is CEC and 150m long

Pelta is KDY and at least 250m long from known airlock size and its visibility on the sides

Given overlapping production times, one could say the republic wanted standardized bridge or ship construction for ease of service and cross compatibility... But seriously, they should have made the Pelta CEC. Yet another amateur lore move on Rebels. No surprise

If you want it to fit into your headcanon, look at it this way... CEC design built by KDY and CEC. Same thing happened in WWII with the same designs being built by multiple contractors.

I'm willing to bet that KDY wanted to get their toe in the frigate market, so they started hiring smaller firms to design various smaller ships. KDY hires some of the CEC team that designed the CR-70 to design the Pelta on a trial-basis contract. CEC, primarily a company that has the civilian market cornered sees this as an opportunity to get their foot in the military contract market. It doesn't work out all that well - probably because of the shifting political climate. (which is why you don't see any other KDY ships that resemble CEC ships). CEC goes back to what it does best, and KDY continues to hire out another design firm for the Nebulon-B (probably from Rendili, this time; They already have a connection to each other on the VictorySD project, too). Nebulon does well enough, but doesn't fit the tactical ethos of the empire. KDY bites the bullet and designs their first set of small-time crafts: The Arquitens and the Raider.

FoaS, I like that. But again, you and Vykes (yes I've read/own/adore the WEG Imperial Sourcebook oh snarky one), are making my point for me. Whether already there (VSD) or reasonably constructed (either of your very plausible extrapolated tales), when telling a story and breaking established expectations, explanations follow. And while its possibly not the Rebels TV guys who made the Pelta KDY (didn't think those earlier sources had that in the specs, but maybe), it's stilly sloppy and hackneyed to have a design with many of the features of company A being made by company B. The Rendili-Lira-Walex story is a great one, actually tells a deeper take and explains variations in what seems to be a similar design. That's professional lore building. Randomly putting A with B and just letting it sit, thats the typical cartoon technical discontinuity crap we've endure ever since WEG self destructed.

It's amateur because it begs explanation and they seem ignorantly unaware that all Galactic Republic ships aren't made by KDY

BTW, my group still does SWD6, great system!