KDY's schtick might be murderwedges - but that doesn't mean every KDY design has to be a murderwedge, or vice versa (every murderwedge has to be a KDY design)

Similar principle applies to Corellian Engineering and its own "design style".

The Lancer is KDY:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lancer-class_frigate/Legends

and isn't very murderwedge-ish. Nor is the Star Galleon.

... You know, its somewhat compelling and... well, comforting...

... In this Galaxy of Space Wizards and Laser Swords... of Non-intertial space travel and mystical plot armour...

They are Free from the Tyranny that are Copyright Lawyers.

Well it'd be patent lawyers.

FoaS, I like that. But again, you and Vykes (yes I've read/own/adore the WEG Imperial Sourcebook oh snarky one), are making my point for me. Whether already there (VSD) or reasonably constructed (either of your very plausible extrapolated tales), when telling a story and breaking established expectations, explanations follow. And while its possibly not the Rebels TV guys who made the Pelta KDY (didn't think those earlier sources had that in the specs, but maybe), it's stilly sloppy and hackneyed to have a design with many of the features of company A being made by company B. The Rendili-Lira-Walex story is a great one, actually tells a deeper take and explains variations in what seems to be a similar design. That's professional lore building. Randomly putting A with B and just letting it sit, thats the typical cartoon technical discontinuity crap we've endure ever since WEG self destructed.

It's amateur because it begs explanation and they seem ignorantly unaware that all Galactic Republic ships aren't made by KDY

BTW, my group still does SWD6, great system!

I do agree with you, but sometimes inconsistency in Canon is what makes for more interesting fanons - its fun to play with those little quirks. There's another short story in here, you know?

That being said - in general terms, yes, the Pelta should have been a CEC ship, as it definitely fits the design ethos of the CEC.

No matter the designer, the Pelta DOES NOT look like star wars to me. Look at it in comparison with the other rebel ships. Everytime I see a design that comes from SW: Rebels, it looks bad with live action SW ships. It is a shame.

EDIT: Spelling

The Pelta just looks ... odd. As though it has a different design motif than all other ships. It may look different when it arrives, so who knows?

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

This is all well and good, but the question remains, why no consistency? I know that Rebels are supposed to have a variety of ship designs, etc. However, the Pelta looks like it is trying to be made by the same species; yet, it looks out of scale COMPLETELY.

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

This is all well and good, but the question remains, why no consistency? I know that Rebels are supposed to have a variety of ship designs, etc. However, the Pelta looks like it is trying to be made by the same species; yet, it looks out of scale COMPLETELY.

I don't get what you mean...

The Pelta as shown in Rebels, and ergo, what is shown in what we have here, is as in true of a scale as it has always been, ever since it was a Clone Wars design...

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

This is all well and good, but the question remains, why no consistency? I know that Rebels are supposed to have a variety of ship designs, etc. However, the Pelta looks like it is trying to be made by the same species; yet, it looks out of scale COMPLETELY.

I don't get what you mean...

The Pelta as shown in Rebels, and ergo, what is shown in what we have here, is as in true of a scale as it has always been, ever since it was a Clone Wars design...

It looks massive compared to the CR90. But massive in a bad photoshop kind of way. Like they just increased the mass by 50% and didn't try to balance it in anyway.

At least the other ships in the sliding scale look reasonable next to each other. But the Pelta sticks out like the AF.

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

This is all well and good, but the question remains, why no consistency? I know that Rebels are supposed to have a variety of ship designs, etc. However, the Pelta looks like it is trying to be made by the same species; yet, it looks out of scale COMPLETELY.

I don't get what you mean...

The Pelta as shown in Rebels, and ergo, what is shown in what we have here, is as in true of a scale as it has always been, ever since it was a Clone Wars design...

It looks massive compared to the CR90. But massive in a bad photoshop kind of way. Like they just increased the mass by 50% and didn't try to balance it in anyway.

At least the other ships in the sliding scale look reasonable next to each other. But the Pelta sticks out like the AF.

I'm not disagreeing.

But that's by design, and not by the Rebels people designing it, by its original design and description.

I mean... At least Criticise the right people, sheesh.

It looks massive compared to the CR90. But massive in a bad photoshop kind of way. Like they just increased the mass by 50% and didn't try to balance it in anyway.

At least the other ships in the sliding scale look reasonable next to each other. But the Pelta sticks out like the AF.

It's supposed to be more than twice as long - 282m compared to 125m for ANH-era CR-90s (According to ICS: Complete Vehicles, anyway, which says that the ROTS ship was 150m but the ANH ship only 125m).

That said - given recent sources suggesting the Arquitens was as much as 325m, it might look a little large next to that or next to the Nebulon B.

I mean... At least Criticise the right people, sheesh.

Well, FFG can make their scale however they want. The MC80 H1 should only be 3/4 the size of an ISD and it's not. I really could care less what the lore says about the size of the Pelta, I'm not here to debate who the fictional designers are of a ship.

So in my opinion, I can criticize FFG for not adding enough detail, or saying the detail looks weird and out of scale with everything else. I'm still going to get it because we are all addicted to this painted plastic, but I can still gripe about it if I want. This is 'Murica after all. Well not for you, but still

I will be stripping it down to an inch of its life and repainting it, anyway... Signature fleet Colour and all.

This is all well and good, but the question remains, why no consistency? I know that Rebels are supposed to have a variety of ship designs, etc. However, the Pelta looks like it is trying to be made by the same species; yet, it looks out of scale COMPLETELY.

I don't get what you mean...

The Pelta as shown in Rebels, and ergo, what is shown in what we have here, is as in true of a scale as it has always been, ever since it was a Clone Wars design...

That it is the same scale as in Rebels doesn't fix the problem, it only locates it. Rebels designed ships and fighters do not "fit" with live action.

EDIT: Read more of your statements. I don't know who is to blame then, but it looks like a rescaled CR90 cartoonized.

I mean... At least Criticise the right people, sheesh.

Well, FFG can make their scale however they want. The MC80 H1 should only be 3/4 the size of an ISD and it's not.

It looks close, I'd say.

There's those who feel it should be twice as long as an ISD - but that view never really gained traction.

TCW-designed, really.

I don't get all the negativity. I've always liked the design of the Pelta. You have no idea how excited I was when I saw it appear on rebels and what a disappointment it was to see it get destroyed in the first episode. It's never actually reminded me of a CR-90. Apart from the "hammerhead" it has a completely different design, and might I add looks exactly like a cargo vessel should in star wars IMO.

I think I need to get it in hand before I continue to hate on this 1 picture.

Edit: I figured out why it looks weird. It appears to be bigger than the MC30, where as the Mc30 is supposed to be twice the length of it. Also, the Gladiator should be twice as long as the Petla as well. If the Petla was a bit smaller, I wouldn't have any problems with it. I can stand having small things be slightly smaller, but not small things being larger.

I think I need to get it in hand before I continue to hate on this 1 picture.

Edit: I figured out why it looks weird. It appears to be bigger than the MC30, where as the Mc30 is supposed to be twice the length of it. Also, the Gladiator should be twice as long as the Petla as well. If the Petla was a bit smaller, I wouldn't have any problems with it. I can stand having small things be slightly smaller, but not small things being larger.

Agreed. We can hope for a smaller ship, but looking at the box they're producing for it, we probably saw the actual size that we'll get. It's too late to make them go back on their decision :S

The MC30 is kind of an outlier - even its Hit Points are way too low by frigate standards - twice the length of Nebulon B and yet 4 HP instead of 5.

The "frigate size class" seems to have been narrowed a lot, in terms of model length, with all ships being close to the same length even when in the fluff, some are twice as long as others.

Hopefully Mel's produces a smaller scaled Pelta (I'm gonna repaint it anyway).

What do you mean?

He has two versions right now.

And of course, being Mel's, they're going to be appropriately scaled.....

I doubt he'll make one smaller just for the sake of making one smaller.... Unless it goes into the 1/7000 category

http://www.shapeways.com/product/3C2VZGBC9/armada-pelta-frigate-closed?optionId=56828150

My bad, he's got it already. I need to do measurements to see relative scale.