I wanna run Norra but why oh why do I HAVE to take Biggs? Isn't there something else I can do that isn't suicidal?!?!

C-3PO and R2-D2 on Nora helps her survive-ability. The trade off is that you take away the crew and astro spot for something that gives her a more potent attack.

Get off the internet, unlearn what you have learned, and have a fun game with whatever you wan't to play !

not really

best you can try is nien nub and engine upgrade

the reason ARCs need Biggs is because they're 1 agi and slow as hell, which makes them just stupidly easily to focus fire down at the beginning of the game when both squads are at their strongest

Biggs taking the flak keeps the ARCs around until the enemy is whittled down to more manageable levels for Norra's guaranteed defenses to take

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Guys if OP wanted a circle jerk of "fly casual!" he'd have asked for that. I hate how these forums take a thread asking for honest competitive advice and crap all over it with this care bear nonsense.

As to the actual thread; Biggs isn't required, but you'll want to load Norra with C3P0 and R2D2 to help her survive the early game. However, this will cut down on her offense. I prefer to take Biggs and pump up Norra's offense.

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Guys if OP wanted a circle jerk of "fly casual!" he'd have asked for that. I hate how these forums take a thread asking for honest competitive advice and crap all over it with this care bear nonsense.

The salt in this post is so strong I can taste it through the internet.

I'm thinking of running this:

Norra Wexley (39) ARC-170 (29), R2-D2 (4), Push the Limit (3), C-3PO (3), Alliance Overhaul (0)

Jan Ors (31) HWK-290 (25), Adaptability (0), Twin Laser Turret (6), "Chopper" (0)

Warden Squadron Pilot (30) K-Wing (23), Extra Munitions (2), Homing Missiles (5), Long Range Scanners (0

What better distraction from Norra than two 5 dice homing missile attacks? So what the Warden doesn't have much to offer after those attacks are done.... those two attacks are enough!

i have never used biggs. And i play just fine without him.

Its all in the flying.

Biggs is there so the jumpmasters don't instagib Norra.

I'm thinking of running this:

Norra Wexley (38) ARC-170 (29), R2-D2 (4), Push the Limit (3), Tail Gunner (2), Alliance Overhaul (0)

Jan Ors (32) HWK-290 (25), Adaptability (0), Twin Laser Turret (6), Nien Nunb (1)

Warden Squadron Pilot (30) K-Wing (23), Extra Munitions (2), Homing Missiles (5), Long Range Scanners (0)

What better distraction from Norra than two 5 dice homing missile attacks? So what the Warden doesn't have much to offer after those attacks are done.... those two attacks are enough!

This list would almost certainly perform better if you dropped Jan for Biggs and the Warden for Miranda. Jan is painfully easy to focus down in most cases and you will find more often than not at the top level that she is easy points. The Warden, at PS 2, will have a lot of trouble getting things in arc to fire off the payload it holds, so it will be an easy choice for the opponent to focus down the other two ships first as in competitive play it is typical to see higher PS ships.

Norra Wexley (29)

Push the Limit (3)

Tail Gunner (2)

R2-D2 (4)

Alliance Overhaul (0)

Biggs Darklighter (25)

R4-D6 (1)

Integrated Astromech (0)

Miranda Doni (29)

Extra Munitions (2)

Homing Missiles (5)

Long-Range Scanners (0)

Total: 100

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This is essentially a better version of what you are trying to do in my opinion. Miranda is much more threatening than the Warden as she can also regen late game and has higher PS so even after Biggs is gone, your opponent is forced to choose between two poisons as both her and Norra are great closers with regen options.

Now I'm not saying Biggs needs to be in every competitive rebel list, because he doesn't. But if you can look at your list and put biggs in in place of something and it becomes better, that is one of the many cases where Biggs simply makes the list more competitive. There are a lot of lists like this, and that is why he is seen so often as of late. But, lists like Double VCX + something, Z alpha strike, etc. can still work fine without Biggs.

I have a list like what Kdubb described and would recommend that route.

Read Dave Wolverton's "On my way to paradise" to appreciate how Bigg's must feel.

" Okay, I'll survive this time....."

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Guys if OP wanted a circle jerk of "fly casual!" he'd have asked for that. I hate how these forums take a thread asking for honest competitive advice and crap all over it with this care bear nonsense.

As to the actual thread; Biggs isn't required, but you'll want to load Norra with C3P0 and R2D2 to help her survive the early game. However, this will cut down on her offense. I prefer to take Biggs and pump up Norra's offense.

It's not either Biggs or C-3P0 and R2-D2. There are other options. Fickle recommends Engine Upgrade and Nien Numb. I do agree with that as Mr. Numb will let you go 4 straight as a green. This gets you out of trouble and gives you back a shield. There are other builds.

Also, I think you are taking things wrong. Not everyone is saying "fly casual". They are saying figure things out for yourself. Find something that works that maybe someone on the FFG forums hasn't thought of yet. Each player has their own style and sometimes you can find something that works for you that no one else has thought of. Or...they tried it, but it doesn't work for them and would be awesome in your hands.

Fly what you like; it's true....I don't fly Biggs in my squads because other ships are more fun. I like the idea of another ship that has an alpha strike to catch the attention of the opposition but has a fun punch. Plus, Biggs forces you to fly in formation, which I don't really like doing with my rebel ships; I prefer flanking and runing/re-gening.

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Guys if OP wanted a circle jerk of "fly casual!" he'd have asked for that. I hate how these forums take a thread asking for honest competitive advice and crap all over it with this care bear nonsense.

As to the actual thread; Biggs isn't required, but you'll want to load Norra with C3P0 and R2D2 to help her survive the early game. However, this will cut down on her offense. I prefer to take Biggs and pump up Norra's offense.

It's not either Biggs or C-3P0 and R2-D2. There are other options. Fickle recommends Engine Upgrade and Nien Numb. I do agree with that as Mr. Numb will let you go 4 straight as a green. This gets you out of trouble and gives you back a shield. There are other builds.

Also, I think you are taking things wrong. Not everyone is saying "fly casual". They are saying figure things out for yourself. Find something that works that maybe someone on the FFG forums hasn't thought of yet. Each player has their own style and sometimes you can find something that works for you that no one else has thought of. Or...they tried it, but it doesn't work for them and would be awesome in your hands.

I think I'm switching to C3PO.

Norra Wexley (39) ARC-170 (29), R2-D2 (4), Push the Limit (3), C-3PO (3), Alliance Overhaul (0)

Jan Ors (31) HWK-290 (25), Adaptability (0), Twin Laser Turret (6), "Chopper" (0)

Warden Squadron Pilot (30) K-Wing (23), Extra Munitions (2), Homing Missiles (5), Long Range Scanners (0)

Say someone shoots at me, but I have a target lock and an unspent focus. I guess zero and roll an eyeball. I get an evade, then I spend the target lock and focus and get two more evades. 3 evades! I love the flexibility of this pilot.

Greenfickledice basically had it spot on.

Your regen ARCs can rumble anything down from midgame onwards but they're easy meat against the full strength of your opponent's ships in the early game. Biggs is your best delivery method for getting the ARCs into midgame.

Personally, my biggest issue with biggless norra is...why arent you just flying miranda?

Shes faster (not limited by greens), her TLT coverage makes her dial even more than norra's aux arc does, and she can SLAM to not only arc dodge but intentionally ram enemies to deny their attacks

Guess she doesnt hit as hard at range 1, but still

I also have a Dash Norra build I would like to try. Let Dash break up the enemy attack and then flank and run with Norra. PTL, EU, Nien version.

I also have a Dash Norra build I would like to try. Let Dash break up the enemy attack and then flank and run with Norra. PTL, EU, Nien version.

Again, why isn't Norra just Miranda instead?

When Norra gets isolated she gets dead, when Miranda gets isolated she SLAMs away and starts regenerating.

Agreed, just have fun!

Play whatever you want. I like playing the Firespray, granted I don't plan on winning when I bring one but I still enjoy it..

Guys if OP wanted a circle jerk of "fly casual!" he'd have asked for that. I hate how these forums take a thread asking for honest competitive advice and crap all over it with this care bear nonsense.

As to the actual thread; Biggs isn't required, but you'll want to load Norra with C3P0 and R2D2 to help her survive the early game. However, this will cut down on her offense. I prefer to take Biggs and pump up Norra's offense.

I totally agree. It's become so common that "Fly Casual" warnings should be given for the Brigade'ing it causes. Give the guy, feed back, encouragement, ancedotes...but "Fly Casual" is totally knee jerk stupidity.

i have never used biggs. And i play just fine without him.

Its all in the flying.

Translation: "I'm gud. Be like me. Fly better, git gud!"

Which is what a casual who has probably never flown Rebels against Triple Scouts would say...

Truth is, if you don't take Biiggs you are very likely to lose an arc almost immediately against Torp Scouts or Crack Swarm. Which isn't necessarily an unwinnable scenario, of course. But if you want to have that particular arc flying around in the end game, Biggs is about the only way to insure that.

Stay On The Leader, on 14 Oct 2016 - 11:56 AM, said:

Cr0aker, on 14 Oct 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

I also have a Dash Norra build I would like to try. Let Dash break up the enemy attack and then flank and run with Norra. PTL, EU, Nien version.

Again, why isn't Norra just Miranda instead?

When Norra gets isolated she gets dead, when Miranda gets isolated she SLAMs away and starts regenerating.

I don't disagree, which is why I haven't tried it. I do take less competitive matches to FLGS's just to have fun, try new things, and to see if something is there. I gave Wedge, Wes, and Biggs a run right be before Wes, Biggs, and Corran started showing results. I then tweaked it to put Miranda instead of Wedge. I have now tweaked it further to put Braylen instead of Wes and that is what I will probably run tonight.

Well you don't have to, but you'll need to work hard to make it work.

Competitively, unless you're Nathan Eide*, virtually all Rebel Builds with a Glass Cannon like the ARC should be running Biggs. Otherwise you get crippled by alpha strikes.

In a more casual setting, it depends on how Potent your Opponent's alpha strikes are.

*Who actually is that good. And may well bring Biggs to Worlds anyway.

I wanna run Norra but why oh why do I HAVE to take Biggs? Isn't there something else I can do that isn't suicidal?!?!

YEAH... stay at home and play there!