Final Rogue One Trailer

By DailyRich, in X-Wing

I am not expecting the team to make it out alive.

I honestly think that the scene in the previous trailer, with Jyn walking towards the rising TIE, to be the climax of the film, a last ditch effort to beam a transmission to a waiting Tantive IV. After that, the team is wiped out. I don't forsee a happy ending.

I expect Jyn and two of the main characters to make it out alive.

Just no Bothans. As soon as you see a Bothan, you know how it's going to go.

Is a exhaust port with a clear way down the death star all straight to the core, 60 kilometers...
Seems more a hidden weakness made absolutely on purpose, than an accidental one.
The mistery is how could Mr. Erso hide such a huge and striking design flaw to everybody.
Probably playing the game of an imperial fanatic, faithful and devoted beyond all doubt.
And probably the film will play with the reactions of her son when she see, not a slave, but a full committed Imperial engineer.
And probably she won't discover the true traitors intentions (to the Empire) of his father until the end.

The Bothans died trying to discover the secrets of the second death star (and they only catch what the emperor wants them to, just to set up the final trap).

Edited by Draconis Hegemonia

Is a exhaust port with a clear way down the death star all straight to the core, 60 kilometers...
Seems more a hidden weakness made absolutely on purpose, than an accidental one.
The mistery is how could Mr. Erso hide such a huge and striking design flaw to everybody.

Thats why I don't buy it. Oppenheimer was not the sole designer of the Atomic Bomb. There would be an entire team of engineers and scientists involved, which he might head. Director Krennic's entire purpose is to oversee the super laser and the station's security and he doesn't seem the type to let something that big slip. Remember its a shaft that leads straight to the core, that is a MASSIVE undertaking on a station that scale.

I'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying I really hope thats not the route they go.

Is a exhaust port with a clear way down the death star all straight to the core, 60 kilometers...
Seems more a hidden weakness made absolutely on purpose, than an accidental one.
The mistery is how could Mr. Erso hide such a huge and striking design flaw to everybody.

Thats why I don't buy it. Oppenheimer was not the sole designer of the Atomic Bomb. There would be an entire team of engineers and scientists involved, which he might head. Director Krennic's entire purpose is to oversee the super laser and the station's security and he doesn't seem the type to let something that big slip. Remember its a shaft that leads straight to the core, that is a MASSIVE undertaking on a station that scale.

I'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying I really hope thats not the route they go.

I think the race for the atomic bomb is a very good example about these.
But not Oppenheimer, instead, look at his Nazi counterpart, Heisenberg. According to Heisenberg himself, he (and some of his collaborators) sabotaged the german atomic project, subtlely to avoid detection, but risking their lifes anyway, to prevent Hitler had such a weapon.
Of course it must be hard, they must did enought advances to no raising the suspicion of the more nazi scientifics in the group (and of course the everwatching gestapo), but no so far to let them finish the proyect if something happen to him.

Nothing to see here!!! :P

Edited by LagJanson

Fair enough, the thing is though the Death Star is fully armed and operational by the time of ANH.

The other thing is I believe from the book synopsis for the Catalyst book its mentioned Galen Erso is in charge of the super laser itself. I doubt he'd have much control over an exhaust shaft. Then again he might. I'm not saying your wrong perhaps it is sabotage, that very well could be the case. I just hope it's a little more then that. I feel like other engineers would extensively question such an obvious flaw unless it was actually a practical part of the design.

They managed to get a 2 metre exhaust on a moon-sized battle station.

That's not a design flaw, that's a work of genius.

YOU build a battle station with an exhaust port only 2 metres wide if you're so good.

Without a doubt they are going to mention why the Death Star has a major weakness. However it is an exhaust port, it does seem to serve an actual purpose. I truly hope they don't pull a Galen Erso was a traitor the entire time rather then he indicate a point on the station that could be exploited to destroy the Death Star.

It's not canon anymore, but the EU Death Star book had exactly that as part of its plot: the designer ended up feeling guilty and built in a deliberate weak spot.

IMO the idea of the port being intentional design flaw is dumb as ****.

It's not a design flaw at all, 2 meter wide port for a planet destroying 120km in diameter battlestation is a work of a genious indeed.

The destruction of the station is the result of an extremely fortunate chain of events that couldn't possibly be accounted for by the designers, including involvement of two Jedi, one being a skilled pilot and the other a ******* ghost, a sudden freighter out of nowhere, sacrifice of 90% of Rebel pilots and Tarkin's hesitation to launch more fighters.

Edited by eMeM

It's all about Imperial arrogance. "This station is so super awesome that no capital ship can touch it. And you'd have to be suicidal to fly a fighter against it. So who cares if the exhaust port is vulnerable to someone lobbing a proton torpedo into it? Like that's ever going to happen!"

...Tarkin's hesitation to launch more fighters.

Indeed, the station by any account had hundreds-to-thousands of fighters on it.

Tarkin launched no fighters to defend it.

The only fighters that launched were those under Vader's command, because Vader isn't an idiot.

I mean, seriously, just imagine that battle if Tarkin had bothered to deploy a fighter screen well ahead of the station, or launched more fighters in defense of the exhaust port.

As to the fighter screen, it wasn't until the Imperials analyzed the rebel attack pattern that some surmised that there *might* be a threat.

Well, even if the station was untouchable and destroyed Yavin IV, you'd still have those 30 fighters flying around, scratching the surface and eventually running away to fight another day, why not kill them if you have thousands of TIE Fighters just lying around?

...Tarkin's hesitation to launch more fighters.

Indeed, the station by any account had hundreds-to-thousands of fighters on it.

Tarkin launched no fighters to defend it.

The only fighters that launched were those under Vader's command, because Vader isn't an idiot.

I mean, seriously, just imagine that battle if Tarkin had bothered to deploy a fighter screen well ahead of the station, or launched more fighters in defense of the exhaust port.

:P

It's all about Imperial arrogance. "This station is so super awesome that no capital ship can touch it. And you'd have to be suicidal to fly a fighter against it. So who cares if the exhaust port is vulnerable to someone lobbing a proton torpedo into it? Like that's ever going to happen!"

As to the fighter screen, it wasn't until the Imperials analyzed the rebel attack pattern that some surmised that there *might* be a threat.

Still - you've got the fighters there, why not launch them?

Even if the enemy attack would be unable to destroy your invulnerable battle station...they are certainly going to be able to shoot up comm towers, maybe blow up a hangar or two, destroy surface turbolaser turrets, etc. Stuff you'll have to replace or repair at some point - unless you just wiped out the attacking swarm before it got to the surface.

The empire is arrogant. That's why they didn't launch fighters until it was too late.

As to the fighter screen, it wasn't until the Imperials analyzed the rebel attack pattern that some surmised that there *might* be a threat.

Still - you've got the fighters there, why not launch them?

Even if the enemy attack would be unable to destroy your invulnerable battle station...they are certainly going to be able to shoot up comm towers, maybe blow up a hangar or two, destroy surface turbolaser turrets, etc. Stuff you'll have to replace or repair at some point - unless you just wiped out the attacking swarm before it got to the surface.

I mean, at the very least they should get practice at launching under combat conditions. Ain't no drill like a live fire exercise.

As to the fighter screen, it wasn't until the Imperials analyzed the rebel attack pattern that some surmised that there *might* be a threat.

Still - you've got the fighters there, why not launch them?

Even if the enemy attack would be unable to destroy your invulnerable battle station...they are certainly going to be able to shoot up comm towers, maybe blow up a hangar or two, destroy surface turbolaser turrets, etc. Stuff you'll have to replace or repair at some point - unless you just wiped out the attacking swarm before it got to the surface.

I mean, at the very least they should get practice at launching under combat conditions. Ain't no drill like a live fire exercise.

Hah - that's the truth!

Live fire launches and landings, even if you are in a war zone with total air supremacy, are by all accounts an entirely different experience than practice. Nevermind the fact that even PRACTICE launches and landings are critically valuable enough that every carrier, everywhere, is CONSTANTLY doing them.

Indeed, so valuable for that purpose, alone (I mean, the Empire is hardly hard up for resources that would be the only obstructing reason that would make sense for delaying fighter launches that would otherwise see immediate value - see: Empire of Japan, circa 1944/1945) that there can be very little reason one would imagine for NOT having a CAP up*.

* About the only thing I can come up with, and it's a heck of a stretch given a number of factors we see, is that the Death Star-1 superlaser only has one setting - 'blow up everything in the system' - and the expected shock of the explosion would destroy any deployed fighters, so they wanted to avoid those losses. As noted: this seems unlikely for a number of reasons:

  • If fighters were so easily destroyed, the surface dishes/turrets/sensors/buildings/etc would be equally toast, so...yeah
  • Seems kinda ridiculously limited a capability, unlikely to have been designed that way in the first place
  • Does not seem consistent with the Alderaan strike (the Falcon encountered a TIE Fighter returning from a patrol distance it didn't seem likely to be on if the Death Star superlaser was so overpowered), or any of the shots in Return of the Jedi (maybe they made some improvements in turning the accuracy of the shot, but...we saw fighters right next to ships that exploded, who survived just fine, so...)
  • Seriously, these are TIE FIGHTERS - the Empire threw away 4 of them casually to bait the Millennium Falcon, nevermind how many they casually throw away in the next two movies. WHO CARES?! They are far cheaper than any surface damage to the Death Star in the FIRST place...

I dunno, I think the take-away is just stupid levels of overconfidence from Tarkin, and that's that.

I am not expecting the team to make it out alive.

I honestly think that the scene in the previous trailer, with Jyn walking towards the rising TIE, to be the climax of the film, a last ditch effort to beam a transmission to a waiting Tantive IV. After that, the team is wiped out. I don't forsee a happy ending.

I expect Jyn and two of the main characters to make it out alive.

Just no Bothans. As soon as you see a Bothan, you know how it's going to go.

It's obligatory now...

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Tarkin's hesitation to launch more fighters.

More important Tarkin's refusal for any escort fleet or navy involvement. The only fighter on board seem to be Vader's squadron which is basically Vaders escort from his own star destroyer. Some even claim that the rebels outnumber the TIEs at the battle of Yavin because there were only about 4 flight groups of 3 fighters each. No navy involvement for the deathstar meant no navy units stationed on the death star. Tarkin wanted the project to be his own triumph.

Not sure if I buy into it myself, but it certainly seems like there were more rebels than imperial fighters involved in that battle.

Edited by SEApocalypse

This was easily the best trailer I've seen for the movie.

The cinematography is gorgeous.

The empire is arrogant. That's why they didn't launch fighters until it was too late.

Yeah, it's not exactly subtle.

Edited by WingedSpider

IMO the idea of the port being intentional design flaw is dumb as ****.

It's not a design flaw at all, 2 meter wide port for a planet destroying 120km in diameter battlestation is a work of a genious indeed.

The destruction of the station is the result of an extremely fortunate chain of events that couldn't possibly be accounted for by the designers, including involvement of two Jedi, one being a skilled pilot and the other a ******* ghost, a sudden freighter out of nowhere, sacrifice of 90% of Rebel pilots and Tarkin's hesitation to launch more fighters.

Classic.

The only points this video doesn't adress are "why not make a few curves" and "why not cover the vent", obviously the curves wouldn't help, proton torpedoes can do instant 90 degree turns and Rebels had the complete plans, so they could program torpedoes to turn when necessary, and obviously a vent cover made in a way that doesn't disturb the heat exchange wouldn't be able to stop anti-ship torpedoes.

I am not expecting the team to make it out alive.

I honestly think that the scene in the previous trailer, with Jyn walking towards the rising TIE, to be the climax of the film, a last ditch effort to beam a transmission to a waiting Tantive IV. After that, the team is wiped out. I don't forsee a happy ending.

I'm not expecting any of them to survive either, and I'm in a way hoping they dont. They would die sacrificing thier lives to tkake down the most powerful and deadly object in the galaxy, and that right their is as heroic as you can get in Star Wars.

What I really like about the trailer is the emotional weight of the film. Just looking at that and you can see the despair of the Rebels...and then the hope of the Rebels and what they can do. Besides all the really cool action, I think this movie will really reel you in with the emotional pull of the film. I think it's going to be an awesome movie.

I know right... i got misty as soon as my boy Mads started talking about protecting his baby gurl.

:lol:

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Is a exhaust port with a clear way down the death star all straight to the core, 60 kilometers...
Seems more a hidden weakness made absolutely on purpose, than an accidental one.
The mistery is how could Mr. Erso hide such a huge and striking design flaw to everybody.
Probably playing the game of an imperial fanatic, faithful and devoted beyond all doubt.
And probably the film will play with the reactions of her son when she see, not a slave, but a full committed Imperial engineer.
And probably she won't discover the true traitors intentions (to the Empire) of his father until the end.

The Bothans died trying to discover the secrets of the second death star (and they only catch what the emperor wants them to, just to set up the final trap).

Actually, in A New Hope, the briefing officer says that a direct hit to the exhaust port would cause a chain reaction, not that the exhaust port was a straight shot to the Death Star's core.

Luke isn't so much shooting a bullet through a washer flying through the air as he's lighting a fuse to an enormous bomb.

So, for instance, the torpedo didn't directly destroy the Death Star. It - maybe - hit a magazine which detonated and set off a fuel cell and the fuel cell's explosion destroyed the cooling system for a power generator, the power generator shutting down shuts down the primary core's cooling system, then there's a heat spike as the Death Star's superlaser spins up and blows the whole thing to bits. Or something.