Darth Vader looks absolutely pissed when he marches in on Krennic like that.

Darth Vader looks absolutely pissed when he marches in on Krennic like that.

He looks like he is about to discard some defense tokens.

I just hope Disney hasn't ruined it. They refilmed 40% of the film, and if you think that is just small stuff, don't forget the trashed the original score, and rescored it!

Freeze-Framing what I can...

The outcropping behind the X-Wing at the end, close up, shares a very similar shape to the back lower end of a Hammerhead Frigate.

....Or even the Lowest part of the Front-End of a Nebulon B....

It is not the shape of the Assault Frigate piece at all...

Assuming, this is what is being talked about:

Dang it Dras!!!!!

I can see it being the Neb-B but not the hammerhead. If you look at the lower part of the hammerhead the back part is shorter compared to the front. The one in question has a larger end sticking out on the back than in the front. That would match the Neb-B making at least 3 in this fleet.

I sitll don't have my glasses, so I'm doing a lot of squinting and guessing as it is.

TFA was a great star wars movie. Original enough, and managed to bring a new generation of heroes into existence.

https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=3722

"Enough"

At least GL took risks with Star Wars OT. It's this type of commitment to vision that made SW iconic. But it is also this type of vision that leads to the Prequel Trilogy.

So disney can putter out entertaining ,cookie cutter afairs and they will make bank on tickets and merchandise. But a cabal of managers who "know best" will fail to deliever anything of note or that stands on it's own two feet. I think it is a near impossible task to go above and beyond the impact of the OT. But making something actually have weight or impact (outside of bank for Disney) should be achievable.

If not for the Prequel trilogy TFA would be the weakest of all the movies. This is obviously a big if so in this context we can see that TFA had a purpose. To restore credibility to a then badly damaged franchise.

TFA was a great star wars movie. Original enough, and managed to bring a new generation of heroes into existence.

https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=3722

"Enough"

At least GL took risks with Star Wars OT. It's what made SW iconic. Disney can putter out cookie cutter afairs and make bank, people will buy ships and merchandise but a cabal of managers who "know best" will fail to deliever anything of note or that stands on it's own two feet.

You're entitled to your opinion of course. Me I had a great time.

TFA was a great star wars movie. Original enough, and managed to bring a new generation of heroes into existence.

"Enough"

At least GL took risks with Star Wars OT. It's what made SW iconic. Disney can putter out cookie cutter afairs and make bank, people will buy ships and merchandise but a cabal of managers who "know best" will fail to deliever anything of note or that stands on it's own two feet.

You're entitled to your opinion of course. Me I had a great time.

-edit- added more the my thing whilst you typed

This is the problem. Where did I say I had a bad time? I saw it Gold Class, with cocktails, food platters, friends, had a great time. Was the best movie experience I have ever had. Came out buzzing because it wasn't a **** Star Wars movie. Saw it again. Still good. Then after a couple of months and the hype settling down I started thinking about it.

Pointing out obvious flaws doesn't mean you hate something or had a bad time. You are hoping it improves because of it.

Also really hoping Rouge One lives up to the darker vibe and the reshoots were due to the so called incomplete script and not a Suicide Squad executive panic situation. Visually it looks stunning with several Keanu woah moments but all the dialouge keynotes in every trailer so far have been quite on the nose. So I have tempered hope

Didn't say you said you had a bad time. I said you were entitled to your own opinion (of the movie). Which differ from mine. O then went on to say I had a great time. So, relax.

Freeze-Framing what I can...

The outcropping behind the X-Wing at the end, close up, shares a very similar shape to the back lower end of a Hammerhead Frigate.

....Or even the Lowest part of the Front-End of a Nebulon B....

It is not the shape of the Assault Frigate piece at all...

Assuming, this is what is being talked about:

Honestly, I might think that is one of the extended blisters you see on the MC80 Home One variant.

You guys gotta think in a new way....

The rebellion is large, but fractured and not openly challenging the empire....

Hence why a-wings/B-wings were at endor but not at Yavin.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the makeup of this fleet is at least:

8x GR-75 Transports

5x CR-75 Corvettes

2x Hammerhead Corvettes

2x Nebulon-B Frigates

1x unknown ship with pod

If you'd spent a chunk of time in Tunisia , you'd think sand was effin' evil, too...

I never spent time in the sandbox, so to speak, but I remember when I got sand in my m92... I might as well have thrown the thing away after that...

Anywho, back on topic: the more I stare at that little pod, the more I think it's a ventral blister from an MCsomethingsomething. I really hope it translates to another medium based ship.

If not for the Prequel trilogy TFA would be the weakest of all the movies. This is obviously a big if so in this context we can see that TFA had a purpose. To restore credibility to a then badly damaged franchise.

I still put it above RotJ, but that's semantics. Your point here is right on. TFA was above all a very safe movie. I'm fairly confident that's very much because of the prequels. I think the next movie will be probably be more critical to the future of the franchise because it will be expected to go beyond echoes of the original trilogy. If it doesn't, all the critiques of the hardcore critics go from background noise to mainstream.

On topic, I have about the same count as admiralcrunch. I'm hoping the pod is something new. I'm not a huge fan of the Hammerhead (really just feels like a reskin of the CR90 to me).

Given that it's been in Rebels, I'm glad they're sticking with the Hammerhead corvette design. I don't want all the different creators creating different things and having very little consistency and continuity.

Given that it's been in Rebels, I'm glad they're sticking with the Hammerhead corvette design. I don't want all the different creators creating different things and having very little consistency and continuity.

Glad you feel that way because Disney has a guy (possibly leading a department) whose entire job is to make sure everything is consistent across everything they produce.

Dollars to Doughnuts the fact the hammerhead shows up in Rebels and R1 means it will show up at some point in Armada. And frankly, there is plenty of room for it, like a heavier, more expensive slightly sturdier close/medium small ship akin to the raider that would pair well with CR90s or Liberties

Do you mean Pablo Hidalgo? I'm curious to know how much involvement Disney really has and how much autonomy Lucasfilm has because I thought Lucasfilm was fairly independent?

The Rebels are going to end up being the corvette faction soon enough, which is fine since they should be mostly lightweight ships. Even the Star Cruisers are, or were in the old EU, refitted cargo vessels/civillian transports.

Darth Vader looks absolutely pissed when he marches in on Krennic like that.

He looks like he is about to discard some defense tokens.

You just made my day.

Do you mean Pablo Hidalgo? I'm curious to know how much involvement Disney really has and how much autonomy Lucasfilm has because I thought Lucasfilm was fairly independent?

The Rebels are going to end up being the corvette faction soon enough, which is fine since they should be mostly lightweight ships. Even the Star Cruisers are, or were in the old EU, refitted cargo vessels/civillian transports.

It was part of the deal moving forward with Lucasfilm and Disney sans Lucas.

Disney essentially has free reign on the period moving foward (TFA+) - Its not quite free reign, but the story is as they say -

But everything leading up to that point, is Lucasfilm and the Hidalgo Holocron... It has to be accepted by both parties before moving forward.

If it can be relegated to any era of Star Wars beyond Disney's control (and you still need Disney's permiss. there), then you have to consult the Holocron and be approved, in order to get the Star Wars Stamp, basically...

In matters such as Aftermath, where it directly leads into TFA from RoTJ, then there is 'designated collaboration' of two independent parties.....

...

Let me tell you, reading what little I could actually see of the agreement still broke my legalise translator, but that's the best distilling I can do for you on that subjet.

Lets see, I don't understand the revisionist history both Lucas and some fanbois have around the OT.

In the OT you have:

- Lots of people dying both explicitly and implied

- Limbs getting chopped off

- The freshly charred skeletons of someones caregivers

- An old dude getting chucked into his certain death

- Corpse burning

- Incest

- an animal ridden to death and then eviscerated

- Torture

- Slavery

- The destruction of an entire planet

- Physical assault

- More torture

- Gratuitous death of indigenous teddy bears

- People nearly getting cooked alive

- Living creature graphically choked to death

These are just a few of the things off the top of my head. Star Wars might have been "for kids" but maybe kids are sheltered wusses these days. Star Wars was never made for kids it was made for adults and it so happened that it captured the imagination of younger viewers.

'"George came back from 'Star Wars' a nervous wreck," Spielberg said. "He didn’t feel 'Star Wars' came up to the vision he initially had. He felt he had just made this little kids' movie ."'[/size]

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-lucas-star-wars-bet-made-steven-spielberg-millions-2014-3

You're not proving your point. The fact he said he feels like he made a kids movie all but furthers the notion that wasnt intention. He was a nervous wreck saying that. Thats not how you act if that was your intent.

That ignores the full context. He was comparing it to Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" at the time, and thought Star Wars suffered in comparison (of course, Lucas was wrong about that, which was kind of the point of the article). Lucas patterned Star Wars off of old movie serials like Flash Gordon. That was not fare that was "made for adults".

Really, though, what's wrong with a movie that's made to be enjoyed by both kids and adults? Star Wars is awesome. Saying that it was originally made as a kids' movie doesn't change that fact. Really, it also goes to show that something doesn't need to be grim and dark in order to be awesome, either. Even The Empire Strikes Back ended with a tone of hope for the future, after all.

Besides, having a theme of "hope" in Rogue One makes perfect sense, given that it immediately precedes the events of Episode IV. The one titled, "A New Hope".

A New Hope.

Because the old one was left broken and in pieces after Vader and the 501st was done with it.

Lets see, I don't understand the revisionist history both Lucas and some fanbois have around the OT.

In the OT you have:

- Lots of people dying both explicitly and implied

- Limbs getting chopped off

- The freshly charred skeletons of someones caregivers

- An old dude getting chucked into his certain death

- Corpse burning

- Incest

- an animal ridden to death and then eviscerated

- Torture

- Slavery

- The destruction of an entire planet

- Physical assault

- More torture

- Gratuitous death of indigenous teddy bears

- People nearly getting cooked alive

- Living creature graphically choked to death

These are just a few of the things off the top of my head. Star Wars might have been "for kids" but maybe kids are sheltered wusses these days. Star Wars was never made for kids it was made for adults and it so happened that it captured the imagination of younger viewers.

'"George came back from 'Star Wars' a nervous wreck," Spielberg said. "He didn’t feel 'Star Wars' came up to the vision he initially had. He felt he had just made this little kids' movie ."'[/size]

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-lucas-star-wars-bet-made-steven-spielberg-millions-2014-3

You're not proving your point. The fact he said he feels like he made a kids movie all but furthers the notion that wasnt intention. He was a nervous wreck saying that. Thats not how you act if that was your intent.

That ignores the full context. He was comparing it to Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" at the time, and thought Star Wars suffered in comparison (of course, Lucas was wrong about that, which was kind of the point of the article). Lucas patterned Star Wars off of old movie serials like Flash Gordon. That was not fare that was "made for adults".

Really, though, what's wrong with a movie that's made to be enjoyed by both kids and adults? Star Wars is awesome. Saying that it was originally made as a kids' movie doesn't change that fact. Really, it also goes to show that something doesn't need to be grim and dark in order to be awesome, either. Even The Empire Strikes Back ended with a tone of hope for the future, after all.

Besides, having a theme of "hope" in Rogue One makes perfect sense, given that it immediately precedes the events of Episode IV. The one titled, "A New Hope".

Darth Vader force chokes several people and practically snaps their neck.

Star Wars is as much of a kids story as Lord of the Rings is. Yes it appeals to kids, it certainly did to me, but that was not the audience. It was an attempt by it's creator to elevate what was typically aimed at kids such as Flash Gordon to a wider group especially adults.

My major concern is it's not really accurate to call them kids movies anyways. That's an oversimplification and unnecessary categorization. Also if there is a target audience it's not kids it's teenagers or young adults around Luke's age.

Query, would you call Avatar (the blue cat aliens one ), or as I previously mentioned Indiana Jones kids movies?

The trailers for the TFA were nice too...

Shush MEL!

Jar Jar Brams snuck it in but MOUSE Knows Many People DID NOT LIKE IT.

but MOUSE Knows Many People DID NOT LIKE IT.

That's cool.

Disney also most likely Doesn't Care either.