All I know about slurs is that the only way they have impact is if you personally let them get to you, raising a fuss simply perpetuates the negativity of a term.

Someone calling you by that term as they beat you up or deny you a loan because of your background would also tend impact you.

Using the term- any of the terms that you're thinking of- serves to remind people of the times they were unjustly hurt, and can be a threat to do it again. That's why the terms are frowned on.

but I bet it's just card-stock and cardboard.

Considering the cost I'm fine with just cardboard. In fact I perfer that they don't include models to keep the cost down.

If they have models, I'd want terrain only, like the way Battlefield in a Box has asteroids and such.

I have a story.

I grew up all over, but largely in Hawaii/Samoa/California. I had heard a phrase a time or two, didn't understand the etymology of it, and figured it was just a way to cuss without profanity. One day I am out with an African American friend, and I used it.

"That cotton-picking thing is useless", I said.

He looked at me in shock, and asked me if I had any idea what I just said. I didn't. He explained it, I was suitably unhappy and apologized, then proceeded not to use the expression ever again except in circumstances like this one.

I'm assuming you feel the same way. The expression is "Gypped", and unless you spend a lot of time with Orthodox folks I doubt you would understand the reference. I'm not wound up about it, just FYI in case you are like me and didn't realize.

Edit: Look, if you know where a word came from, what it can mean, and use it anyway at least you made a decision for good or for ill. I just don't personally want to offend people unintentionally, and like to assume most human beings would prefer not to as well.

Just to note:

You can no longer say 'no can do', 'sold down the river' or 'off the reservation'. All of those are racist.

But they way they try to do this is by dredging up old meanings for words and telling people to conform to a new set of language rules. By finding offense where none was meant.

It was very easy to tell that none was meant: when it was pointed out that the language was harmful, he apologized.

Perhaps the problem, though, is that you think the meaning of the word is "old", when it is actually a current slur used to justify current persecution of living people. Seriously: the Roma get attacked when they enter into many towns. In 2016. There are some very strongly negative views of them, and many if those views are much worse than the implication of the word we are discussing.

If there's a kid in your neighborhood, and your parents tell you that you can't joke about him, or call him names like the rest of the kids: does that make him similar to you? Does that make you want to be friends with him above your other choices?

"You can tell any one of your friends that they j---- you in the lunch line; except that Romanian kid. You can't say "j----" around him."

"In fact it's better that you just don't say "j----" at all."

It doesn't help the [Roma] kid fit in, and it doesn't make sense to me.

Wait. Why are my kids using that word at all? I would teach my kids that it's ok to use the N-Word unless there are black kids around, I'd teach my kids _never_ to use that word. Because it is a bad word. The same way I'd teach my kids to not use any other slurs.

I mean, can you imagine the conversation?! "It's ok to say "n---" unless your aunts are around. Or a few of our friends. It's only a bad word when they are around. Otherwise it's totally ok." That would be awful parenting.

It's not a matter of giving offense. These words were _designed_ to perpetuate certain stereotypes that would justify murder. Let's stop doing that.

I have a story.

I grew up all over, but largely in Hawaii/Samoa/California. I had heard a phrase a time or two, didn't understand the etymology of it, and figured it was just a way to cuss without profanity. One day I am out with an African American friend, and I used it.

"That cotton-picking thing is useless", I said.

He looked at me in shock, and asked me if I had any idea what I just said. I didn't. He explained it, I was suitably unhappy and apologized, then proceeded not to use the expression ever again except in circumstances like this one.

I'm assuming you feel the same way. The expression is "Gypped", and unless you spend a lot of time with Orthodox folks I doubt you would understand the reference. I'm not wound up about it, just FYI in case you are like me and didn't realize.

Edit: Look, if you know where a word came from, what it can mean, and use it anyway at least you made a decision for good or for ill. I just don't personally want to offend people unintentionally, and like to assume most human beings would prefer not to as well.

I grew up in Pennsylvania, and I've got a story or two too.

Like the one where my teacher mom got a job at an African-American school, and taught the kids to sing songs she had learned as a girl; like Enie-minie-minie-moe and Pick-bail-of-cotton, only to run back embarrassed and red-faced when the principle called her to the office and told her what those songs were about.

That story takes place after years of her coaching an all African-American rowing team for her last school job, and years before that at another African-American school where she was called all kinds of names at the beginning, and by nit, grit, and no-nonsense attitude earned the respect of her students so that she could teach them not just math and science, but to be upstanding people because their parents weren't doing it.

That was the same school and neighborhood that me and my brother grew up in: the only two white kids in the entire 1000+ building. I didn't know why people called me "cracker" meant until the third grade, and even then I wan't offended by it. I got the full spectrum; name-calling, locker pranks, I got beat up in the library one time by a guy and his cousins, and lost my Runescape account when someone intimidated the password out of my brother.

But I took it, I learned to roll with the punches; I learned to punch back too. I earned the respect of my classmates, and even made a few friends. I remember when I left for a the new neighborhood, my one buddy took me aside and said: "Just remember, whenever, wherever you go; if someone messes with you just tell em you've got black friends."

And then this political stuff happened.

My mom gets lambasted on a highway by some jerk, flags down a cop and points out the guy walking down the street; and the cop does nothing because "You didn't say he was black."

It never occurred to her that it would matter.

I get on a forum and see some guy called out because he used the wrong word for his post's title.

You didn't want to offend people; I'm offended. I'm offended to see this nutty pussyfooting over what word people used, like it even matters. I've seen real racism: I remember when we invited a bunch of our friends over to help us move out of our old house, and the new owner asked us to carry the boxes to the porch because he didn't want "Those people." inside. I've been the subject of prejudice and racial slurs, I marched through it, got over it, and made something great and fun out of the situation I was in.

And then I see a guy come in here, where there is no problem: and they look for something to be offended by. They make a problem where none existed before, where people were getting along fine with no thought to race or prejudice, they make prejudice an issue: and it makes my blood boil.

The solution is very simple - create missions instead of a series of dogfights.

Isn't (and I use this term lightly) "The Big Problem" the fact that there are missions, and their play appears to be in the Minority?

I get on a forum and see some guy called out because he used the wrong word for his post's title.

You didn't want to offend people; I'm offended. I'm offended to see this nutty pussyfooting over what word people used, like it even matters. I've seen real racism: I remember when we invited a bunch of our friends over to help us move out of our old house, and the new owner asked us to carry the boxes to the porch because he didn't want "Those people." inside. I've been the subject of prejudice and racial slurs, I marched through it, got over it, and made something great and fun out of the situation I was in.

As a yoga teacher (one that embraces the entire practice, not just the exercise class), this is one of my wife's favorite quotes, because most personal change comes from the smallest things:

Watch your thoughts; they become your words.

Watch your words, they become your actions.

Watch your actions, the become your habits.

Watch your habits, they become your character.

Watch your character; for it becomes your destiny.

Real racism begins with words. The difference between a racist and me (and KineticOperator) is that we (in the end equation), did not mean our words as they were taken, and with any luck, a heart-felt apology removes the offense. We are not being politically correct or weak willed, we are being civilized.



Thankfully pc cultures days are numbered with the rise of the far right across the world, good work sjw's.

thats what i thought.

thats not the same as a campaign where you are commanding a force, which is what i was thinking of. I might have to try and cook something up, though ive never finished any custom rules for any game ive tried to write lol

I'd even go as far as to say it's actually easier to solo manage a squadron in it than to coordinate several people with several idea's on builds and stratergy that may not gel well in play.

As for the expansion, i'm rather happy they took it to armarda 1st. That title and it's scale is more suited to it and if/when it does come to x wing ffg will have plenty of feedback to improve upon, the same way as it worked in reverse with armada's damage system.

The Armada expansion has no models, but it does include new squadrons and other upgrades that can be used in the tournament games as well. It also includes some new terrain.

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Look, Darth Meanie use a term he didn't realize was a slur. He was given a PSA, not "called out", and he realizes it, said "my bad," and life will roll on. As someone with Romani blood, I even had to tell my fiance, of sheltered Morman background, "oh hun, by the way..." when she dropped that; there are plenty of people out there that don't understand the origin of the term they used when they mean "ripped off." While I wrinkled my nose when I saw the title in the thread list, once I saw Darth Meanie's response, I got over it.

Most people are cool about it, they apologize and don't do it again. No problem. Life moves on. Its not like people are trying to get him banned or anything.

You are literally the one creating a scene here. Not Darth Meanie, not anyone else,

Chill.

The solution is very simple - create missions instead of a series of dogfights.

Isn't (and I use this term lightly) "The Big Problem" the fact that there are missions, and their play appears to be in the Minority?

Only because the tournament format is the 100/6 dogfight, so competitive players use this format in casual games for practice. If a campaign box revolved around mission, people would play those missions as part of the campaign.

There are two campaign boxes out there, one is called Imperial Raider the other Tantive IV. They are awesome by the way, though the mission amount could have been bigger, about twice as big would have been nice.

The solution is very simple - create missions instead of a series of dogfights.

Isn't (and I use this term lightly) "The Big Problem" the fact that there are missions, and their play appears to be in the Minority?

Only because the tournament format is the 100/6 dogfight, so competitive players use this format in casual games for practice. If a campaign box revolved around mission, people would play those missions as part of the campaign.

There are two campaign boxes out there, one is called Imperial Raider the other Tantive IV. They are awesome by the way, though the mission amount could have been bigger, about twice as big would have been nice.

Oh and racism has no place in SW. Speciesism, sure, but not racism. And that's all I gots to say bout dat.

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Look, Darth Meanie use a term he didn't realize was a slur. He was given a PSA, not "called out", and he realizes it, said "my bad," and life will roll on. As someone with Romani blood, I even had to tell my fiance, of sheltered Morman background, "oh hun, by the way..." when she dropped that; there are plenty of people out there that don't understand the origin of the term they used when they mean "ripped off." While I wrinkled my nose when I saw the title in the thread list, once I saw Darth Meanie's response, I got over it.

Most people are cool about it, they apologize and don't do it again. No problem. Life moves on. Its not like people are trying to get him banned or anything.

You are literally the one creating a scene here. Not Darth Meanie, not anyone else,

Chill.

Yeah, it was pretty long rant wasn't it? Kind of life-story thing really.

This explains my position simply, and with humor rather than a life story.

And sorry. Didn't mean to insult your wife, or Meanie's yoga instructor. (Even if I think his quote came off a fortune cookie.)

http://www.cracked.com/article_16967_8-racist-words-you-use-every-day.html

There are two campaign boxes out there, one is called Imperial Raider the other Tantive IV. They are awesome by the way, though the mission amount could have been bigger, about twice as big would have been nice.

Well, that's kinda the point here. . .a large, fleshed-out mission set would be awesome. With some extra fluff like:

1. Squadron-based advantages during play--play generics of the same type, and they are able to interact in some positive way.

2. A Commander/Admiral that affects play, like Commander in M:TG.

3. "Leveling Up" of pilots that survive an encounter.

4. Dead is dead (as mentioned before)

5. Unique battlefield effects (like no Target Locks because you are in a nebula)

6. Maybe even some fun "not suitable for tournament play" ideas.

7. Maybe the whole boxed set is not just "cardboard and air," but contains ships that are "weak": TIE scouts, or eclectic ships that are used in one of the missions but then could be used for fun in casual play (suddenly the Senator's Shuttle is not just a piece of cardboard).

8. Adding those "odd-ball" ideas like the Shuttle Tydirium, mining guild TIE's, or the Corporate Sector Authority.

9. Adding rules for the Scum faction as mercenaries to the other two factions.

10. Letting ships like the Sun Crusher or Blade Wing have a "super weapon."

11. Ships for a "neutral" faction like the Hapes Consortium that switches sides during the course of the campaign (letting both players have fun with it).

Essentially, I would think this sort of thing would be "casual only," so it would really give FFG a chance to try out some things that might break the game, but could be fun. And if they worked well, they might show up in future tournament-legal expansions.

And sorry. Didn't mean to insult your wife, or Meanie's yoga instructor. (Even if I think his quote came off a fortune cookie.)

My wife is my yoga instructor. And while the quote is a little long for a fortune cookie, the source is Chinese:

I have a story.

I grew up all over, but largely in Hawaii/Samoa/California. I had heard a phrase a time or two, didn't understand the etymology of it, and figured it was just a way to cuss without profanity. One day I am out with an African American friend, and I used it.

"That cotton-picking thing is useless", I said.

He looked at me in shock, and asked me if I had any idea what I just said. I didn't. He explained it, I was suitably unhappy and apologized, then proceeded not to use the expression ever again except in circumstances like this one.

I'm assuming you feel the same way. The expression is "Gypped", and unless you spend a lot of time with Orthodox folks I doubt you would understand the reference. I'm not wound up about it, just FYI in case you are like me and didn't realize.

Edit: Look, if you know where a word came from, what it can mean, and use it anyway at least you made a decision for good or for ill. I just don't personally want to offend people unintentionally, and like to assume most human beings would prefer not to as well.

I grew up in Pennsylvania, and I've got a story or two too.

Like the one where my teacher mom got a job at an African-American school, and taught the kids to sing songs she had learned as a girl; like Enie-minie-minie-moe and Pick-bail-of-cotton, only to run back embarrassed and red-faced when the principle called her to the office and told her what those songs were about.

That story takes place after years of her coaching an all African-American rowing team for her last school job, and years before that at another African-American school where she was called all kinds of names at the beginning, and by nit, grit, and no-nonsense attitude earned the respect of her students so that she could teach them not just math and science, but to be upstanding people because their parents weren't doing it.

That was the same school and neighborhood that me and my brother grew up in: the only two white kids in the entire 1000+ building. I didn't know why people called me "cracker" meant until the third grade, and even then I wan't offended by it. I got the full spectrum; name-calling, locker pranks, I got beat up in the library one time by a guy and his cousins, and lost my Runescape account when someone intimidated the password out of my brother.

But I took it, I learned to roll with the punches; I learned to punch back too. I earned the respect of my classmates, and even made a few friends. I remember when I left for a the new neighborhood, my one buddy took me aside and said: "Just remember, whenever, wherever you go; if someone messes with you just tell em you've got black friends."

And then this political stuff happened.

My mom gets lambasted on a highway by some jerk, flags down a cop and points out the guy walking down the street; and the cop does nothing because "You didn't say he was black."

It never occurred to her that it would matter.

I get on a forum and see some guy called out because he used the wrong word for his post's title.

You didn't want to offend people; I'm offended. I'm offended to see this nutty pussyfooting over what word people used, like it even matters. I've seen real racism: I remember when we invited a bunch of our friends over to help us move out of our old house, and the new owner asked us to carry the boxes to the porch because he didn't want "Those people." inside. I've been the subject of prejudice and racial slurs, I marched through it, got over it, and made something great and fun out of the situation I was in.

And then I see a guy come in here, where there is no problem: and they look for something to be offended by. They make a problem where none existed before, where people were getting along fine with no thought to race or prejudice, they make prejudice an issue: and it makes my blood boil.

Somebody once said something obnoxious to me, so I decided that it is ok for me to do the same.

Sorry. You're an idiot. For the most part I'm a pretty easy going guy, as most who've met me would (probably) agree. If you insist on using racist epithets in my presence, I don't care who you are or what your excuse is I will let you know I have a very low opinion of you and to the best of my ability edit you out of my existence.

Which is what I'm going to do now. No offense.

There are two campaign boxes out there, one is called Imperial Raider the other Tantive IV. They are awesome by the way, though the mission amount could have been bigger, about twice as big would have been nice.

Well, that's kinda the point here. . .a large, fleshed-out mission set would be awesome. With some extra fluff like:

1. Squadron-based advantages during play--play generics of the same type, and they are able to interact in some positive way.

2. A Commander/Admiral that affects play, like Commander in M:TG.

3. "Leveling Up" of fighters that survive an encounter.

4. Dead is dead (as mentioned before)

5. Unique battlefield effects (like no Target Locks because you are in a nebula)

6. Maybe even some fun "not suitable for tournament play" ideas.

7. Maybe the whole boxed set is not just "cardboard and air," but contains ships that are "weak": TIE scouts, or eclectic ships that are used in one of the missions but then could be used for fun in casual play.

8. Adding those "odd-ball" ideas like the Shuttle Tydirium, mining guild TIE's, or the Corporate Sector Authority.

9. Adding rules for the Scum faction as mercenaries to the other two factions.

10. Letting ships like the Sun Crusher or Blade Wing have a "super weapon."

Essentially, I would thing this sort of thing would be "casual only," so it would really give FFG a chance to try out some things that might break the game, but could be fun. And if they worked well, the might show up in future tournament-legal expansions.

The raider campaign checks out on points 1 till 8 ;-)

9 would be cool for the scum epic

and 10 I didn't catch, my mind went blank after the word Sun Crusher. Sorry, what did you say? ;-)

And sorry. Didn't mean to insult your wife, or Meanie's yoga instructor. (Even if I think his quote came off a fortune cookie.)

My wife is my yoga instructor. And while the quote is a little long for a fortune cookie, the source is Chinese:

No way; that's pretty cool actually. And I've learned better than to argue with ancient Chinese wisdom.

Just look at that beard. It practically radiates knowledge.

I have a story.

I grew up all over, but largely in Hawaii/Samoa/California. I had heard a phrase a time or two, didn't understand the etymology of it, and figured it was just a way to cuss without profanity. One day I am out with an African American friend, and I used it.

"That cotton-picking thing is useless", I said.

He looked at me in shock, and asked me if I had any idea what I just said. I didn't. He explained it, I was suitably unhappy and apologized, then proceeded not to use the expression ever again except in circumstances like this one.

I'm assuming you feel the same way. The expression is "Gypped", and unless you spend a lot of time with Orthodox folks I doubt you would understand the reference. I'm not wound up about it, just FYI in case you are like me and didn't realize.

Edit: Look, if you know where a word came from, what it can mean, and use it anyway at least you made a decision for good or for ill. I just don't personally want to offend people unintentionally, and like to assume most human beings would prefer not to as well.

Blah, blah, blah: I'm angry and decided to write my own rant instead of using Google like a guy in possession brain cells.

Somebody once said something obnoxious to me, so I decided that it is ok for me to do the same.

Sorry. You're an idiot. For the most part I'm a pretty easy going guy, as most who've met me would (probably) agree. If you insist on using racist epithets in my presence, I don't care who you are or what your excuse is I will let you know I have a very low opinion of you and to the best of my ability edit you out of my existence.

Which is what I'm going to do now. No offense.

None taken. I'm sorry that it's damaged our relationship; but I'm rather attached to my epitaphs. Like gypped. Or vandalism. Or picnic.

If you reconsider, I'll be right here.... outside your exiiiiisteeence.

This is such an inappropriate thread.

Why are we talking Armada on an X-wing forum?

There are two campaign boxes out there, one is called Imperial Raider the other Tantive IV. They are awesome by the way, though the mission amount could have been bigger, about twice as big would have been nice.

Well, that's kinda the point here. . .a large, fleshed-out mission set would be awesome. With some extra fluff like:

1. Squadron-based advantages during play--play generics of the same type, and they are able to interact in some positive way.

2. A Commander/Admiral that affects play, like Commander in M:TG.

3. "Leveling Up" of fighters that survive an encounter.

4. Dead is dead (as mentioned before)

5. Unique battlefield effects (like no Target Locks because you are in a nebula)

6. Maybe even some fun "not suitable for tournament play" ideas.

7. Maybe the whole boxed set is not just "cardboard and air," but contains ships that are "weak": TIE scouts, or eclectic ships that are used in one of the missions but then could be used for fun in casual play.

8. Adding those "odd-ball" ideas like the Shuttle Tydirium, mining guild TIE's, or the Corporate Sector Authority.

9. Adding rules for the Scum faction as mercenaries to the other two factions.

10. Letting ships like the Sun Crusher or Blade Wing have a "super weapon."

Essentially, I would thing this sort of thing would be "casual only," so it would really give FFG a chance to try out some things that might break the game, but could be fun. And if they worked well, the might show up in future tournament-legal expansions.

The raider campaign checks out on points 1 till 8 ;-)

9 would be cool for the scum epic

and 10 I didn't catch, my mind went blank after the word Sun Crusher. Sorry, what did you say? ;-)

8???? I did NOT get a copy of the Shuttle Tydirium!! And for 7, the TIE Adv went from weak to OK.

Edit: Ne'ermind; you said 'til 8.

Why are we talking Armada on an X-wing forum?

Because I wish I could fit a 1/270 ISD in my living room

100 point death match fits a table and time limit easily. Maybe it's more like chess and Armada is like Go (I've never actually played Go) or the new campaign makes it more like that. I'm sure there are better comparisons, but the point is that 100 point X-wing is self contained. There is no impetus to escort the B-wings past the tie fighters to torpedo the ISD so that the blockade is lifted and the planet will support the rebellion. Maybe a 200 pt. squadron variation with force organization charts, three rounds with lost ships reinforced with a generic version, and veterans gaining bonuses via kill points would satisfy people itching for more. As it is now, Biggs' demise is part of the mechanic of a viable rebel list and Palpatine spends all his time on a Lambda shuttle in the outer rim to protect Baron Fel. I doubt there will be much Armada campaign action at the major tournaments, like with epic now.

If we want more out the basic game, we need to flavor it to our liking but so that it is still palatable to those we play with most often.

I'd love to see something like this but tailored to a series of quick dogfights as x wing does so well. A series of linked missions designed around one larger engagement would be cool. So you could have the first mission be about the fighters duking it out for space superiority, the second an attack run on the losers ships (epic? Maybe, but could just be some shuttles), the last mission based on the winner of the second mission. So you could have one player defending an ejected pilot, or trying to escort a damaged ship to a jump point, or trying to destroy a bomber force that was successfully repelled, etc...

Would be great as the type of ships you fly would change, and there would be objectives to accomplish.