>Trying to avoid Legends

No they're not. They just have more important things going on.

Like canonizing the TIE Defender, and the Interdictor Cruiser, and what else, oh yes, GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN.

Yep, that's right folks, the EU is ded, long live the recanonized EU.

LONG LIVE

The Punisher was the one that made no sense to me... when they could have went with the Gunboat.

The Gunboat's not a heavy bomber: they wanted to make an Imperial counterpart to the K-wing. The Gunboat is more of a Y-wing.

The Punisher was the one that made no sense to me... when they could have went with the Gunboat.

The Gunboat's not a heavy bomber: they wanted to make an Imperial counterpart to the K-wing. The Gunboat is more of a Y-wing.

This; Wave 7 was more to do with Bombs than Ordnance. Conner Bets, Cluster Mines, Ion Bombs and ships to carry them.

If it wasn't the TIE Punisher, it would probably have been the Scimitar

The Punisher was the one that made no sense to me... when they could have went with the Gunboat.

The Gunboat's not a heavy bomber: they wanted to make an Imperial counterpart to the K-wing. The Gunboat is more of a Y-wing.

How recognizable is the Quadjumper (without the explanation of where it appeared in TFA). Or, in first Episode of Rebels season 3 the Phantom runs into a couple Mining Guild TIEs and a larger ship (no idea hiw it's called). How recognizable is that ship?

Pretty much what I thought when they announced the Quad Jumper. It's a plot device that explodes and doesn't even fly. And it's a tug boat.

Back to the OP though; Disney (and FFG) want to make money and will happily sell anything the fans want to buy. As has already been said; many of the current members of the story group wrote a lot of EU stuff and grew up on it. I don't think anyone wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater; it's just about having creative freedom to make a cohesive canon as opposed to a bloated contradictory mess.

Ugh. I don't understand why everyone keeps dissing the quadjumper.

I loved that little ship's brief appearance and couldn't wait to get it in the game. Because it's exactly the kind of detail the old EU was built on.

Also reading it's spec in the big book of TFA ships it was such a great ship for the X-Wing game. A small tug with tractor beam technology that was used by pirates and cartels and was often retrofitted with guns. Out of all the ships it was the one I was most excited about as it really added something new.

Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle.

wut

Also reading it's spec in the big book of TFA ships it was such a great ship for the X-Wing game. A small tug with tractor beam technology that was used by pirates and cartels and was often retrofitted with guns. Out of all the ships it was the one I was most excited about.

Exactly!! I got that book too and the Quadjumper jumped (ha) out as the most interesting.

Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle.

wut

I now want to see Fenn Rau's black shuttle.... as long as it's work safe.

Ugh. I don't understand why everyone keeps dissing the quadjumper.

I loved that little ship's brief appearance and couldn't wait to get it in the game. Because it's exactly the kind of detail the old EU was built on.

Personally, because the ship says nothing to me. It has little in-universe background and the most remarkable thing a Quadjumper does is blowing up in a TFA scene. I would have preferred an EU ship with more history instead.

But it's such a pretty ship.

Ugh. I don't understand why everyone keeps dissing the quadjumper.

I loved that little ship's brief appearance and couldn't wait to get it in the game. Because it's exactly the kind of detail the old EU was built on.

You can easily find a thread here where everyone is loving it. Game mechanic wise; it may be a great addition but to me personally; all I've ever seen it do was explode. I grew up playing a lot of the older PC games so even the Punisher is better known to me than this ship. Even the ship Leia turned up in on Takonda did more. It flew for example. To me it feels shoe horned into the game but that's just my opinion and not necessarily that of anyone else.

EDIT: I'd have much rather finished off the Galaxy at War fighters with the Skipray Blastboat than had this but as I say; in game mechanics terms it may just be a better fit.

Ugh. I don't understand why everyone keeps dissing the quadjumper.

I loved that little ship's brief appearance and couldn't wait to get it in the game. Because it's exactly the kind of detail the old EU was built on.

Personally, because the ship says nothing to me. It has little in-universe background and the most remarkable thing a Quadjumper does is blowing up in a TFA scene. I would have preferred an EU ship with more history instead.

I think we may have already had this conversation in an earlier thread

But my line of thinking is that those obscure EU ships only got history after the fact. They started out as background details and kitbashed models, it was only through later stories, particularly those written about in gaming supplements (like the old WEG RPG) that they developed their lore. FFG has a chance to do something similar with the new canon, and that means putting weird little background ships front and center in one of their most popular games.

I'm excited for the Quadjumper. I'll be more excited when the make the Guavian Death Gang's ship. It wasn't even directly on screen, it's only shown on a screen on screen.

There is no aversion to using Legends.

There is a compulsion to market everything possible to do with new media. Disney is nothing if not a marketing engine. You make a movie and a TV show and more TV shows and hand bags and action figures and toys and books and beverages all themed around the same exact things. It isn't about creating a wide and varied universe, it's about creating a resonant consumption paradigm. You see all this familiar stuff from all angles and you buy it.

Legends stuff is like the idea bin for when you need to fill holes. You can use it, but if you have part of the paradigm to synergize... you do that first.

I would guess its really about recognisability. Everyone knows the X-wing and TIE fighter. In terms of getting people excited about playing the game for the first time, everyone that isn't a die-hard EU fan is going to recognise the Millenium Falcon but not the Punishing One. FFG dredged through the EU for really quite obscure ships (much as I love all the bounty hunter ships) so they'd have ships to keep releasing to keep us on our plastic crack. But that dilutes out the iconic imagery that draws people to the game. The new movies introduce new ships and these are already waaay more iconic than mist hunter or whatever. Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle. The Ghost is also very recognisable due to the show and the characters like Ezra are more relatable than many of the really obscure pilots and crew.

While I agree with the general point you are making, I don't think all ships that appear in the movies/Rebels are really that recognizable. How recognizable is the Quadjumper (without the explanation of where it appeared in TFA). Or, in first Episode of Rebels season 3 the Phantom runs into a couple Mining Guild TIEs and a larger ship (no idea hiw it's called). How recognizable is that ship?

The Quadjumper is pretty much the result of a problem FFG had to deal with. They clearly wanted to be able to introduce the Tech slot to Scum. Now, just how many ships were even fully shown in TFA that could be reasonably called Scum? Assume that they weren't willing or allowed to make the Falcon a Scum ship.

So, we're left with... well, the Quadjumper. The only other ship we get a clear look at in the movie that isn't clearly a Resistance or First Order ship is Han's monstrosity, which, assuming you're going to call it a Scum vessel, would be an Epic-scale ship.

So, the Quadjumper isn't particularly iconic, and it's only barely recognizable (though at least somewhat aided in recognition thanks to Disney Infinity and the Visual Guide books), but it was visible on-screen in TFA, and can clearly be called a Scum ship. Otherwise they'd be making something up out of thin air, or waiting for Episode VIII (where there's no guarantee we'd get another Scum ship anyway - most scum ships are from EU as it is).

Haha now that I think about it... the Quadjumper is the only scum only ship with screen time in one of the movies.

Haha now that I think about it... the Quadjumper is the only scum only ship with screen time in one of the movies.

Firespray in Attack of the Clones and Empire Strikes Back

In Clone Wars: Hound's Tooth and at least 1 other YV-666

Haha now that I think about it... the Quadjumper is the only scum only ship with screen time in one of the movies.

Firespray in Attack of the Clones and Empire Strikes Back

In Clone Wars: Hound's Tooth and at least 1 other YV-666

But yeah, there's other ships with a more visible presence for sure. I just thought it was funny.

Ugh. I don't understand why everyone keeps dissing the quadjumper.

I loved that little ship's brief appearance and couldn't wait to get it in the game. Because it's exactly the kind of detail the old EU was built on.

Personally, because the ship says nothing to me. It has little in-universe background and the most remarkable thing a Quadjumper does is blowing up in a TFA scene. I would have preferred an EU ship with more history instead.

I think we may have already had this conversation in an earlier thread

But my line of thinking is that those obscure EU ships only got history after the fact. They started out as background details and kitbashed models, it was only through later stories, particularly those written about in gaming supplements (like the old WEG RPG) that they developed their lore. FFG has a chance to do something similar with the new canon, and that means putting weird little background ships front and center in one of their most popular games.

I remember

Where I disagree with your line of thinking is that X-wing is not like let's say an RPG. When you put a ship in an RPG you usually provide some extra background, maybe you use it in a published adventure etc. X-wing does none of these. I can't think of anything that having it into X-wing adds to the fluff of a given ship.

The EU was never considered canon by George Lucas

EU was considered canon by George Lucas, he just felt not bound by that canon.

If you are not bound by canon, than you don't feel the material is actually canon. So your own argument is that Lucas considered stuff canon... until it became inconvenient and then he didn't. A.K.A the royal mess the previous commenter was talking about.

Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle.

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You don't know about Fen Rau's black shuttle and you have the nerve to comment on a star wars forum? pffft....

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Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle.

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You don't know about Fen Rau's black shuttle and you have the nerve to comment on a star wars forum? pffft....

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To be absolutely honest I'm fearful to put "Fen Rau's Black Shuttle" into google.

Anyone who's seen Episode VII (and that's everyone) will recognise Fen Rau's black shuttle.

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You don't know about Fen Rau's black shuttle and you have the nerve to comment on a star wars forum? pffft....

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To be absolutely honest I'm fearful to put "Fen Rau's Black Shuttle" into google.

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