BMST is a must on lancers, solely due to if a arc dodger was able to get on a side with out an arc. Plus it helps make people think with when they should PtL instead of every turn. Mind link is great even in stress meta due to only one stress ever being passed. It hurts but dealable. I find fang fighters in pairs with mind link are nice little box fighters, that 2 Troll is amazing.

Thanks to Fickles post where he did nothing but say that suprisingly BMSTs aren't awefull people around here overestimate them greatly. They do nothing but offer 2 dice ships a way to damage the undamageable aces for a change. Against most ships taking your action to actually attack is better.

@Beard

Our Guri, Palob + Manaroo lists will be totally fine vs. slicer tools.

All ships have solid 4-5 hull so it takes a long time to slice through.

Ships which used slicer tools will have no focus, so they won't be able to cut through Guris sensorjammer.

Stress is no big deal either.

I've tried out slicer tools a couple of times (usually on a Z95). I'm currently at 4/5 successes when using them. In one game, my 13 point Z95 put in two damage on Fenn Rau, letting Asajj mop him up easily afterwards.

So yeah, they're not bad.

I think a mindlink mob probably worries less about stress than most, as noted - because it's one of the few ways to get those nice, flexible focus tokens on already stressed ships.

Seeing as how my mindlink squad's usual plan is "one guy Kturns, then the other two do greens"*, I'll only ever be worried if I run into stresshog + YT with BMST. In which case I guess i'll just focus down one or the other and get back to business as usual.

*Or don't Kturn at all, since 2/3 of the squad is firesprays.

I'm going to be running Black Sun Aces with Mindlink AND BMST myself, three of them, with Mindlink Palob as the fourth man.

Hack Soontir with BMST and still get a focus? Yes please.

Thanks to Fickles post where he did nothing but say that suprisingly BMSTs aren't awefull people around here overestimate them greatly. They do nothing but offer 2 dice ships a way to damage the undamageable aces for a change . Against most ships taking your action to actually attack is better.

All other thoughts aside, what you said right there is the reason BMST is not being overestimated.

"They don't do anything. Literally anything. Except let otherwise combat-useless ships push damage into otherwise (and until recently) untouchable Aces" - yeah, that sounds like it's a **** card that totally won't have any impact, ever.

And I still think BMST will decrease the number of Attanni Mindlinks we see. There's a bajillion ways for Scum to stress enemy ships out - especially on the Caster - and BMST is being considered an auto-include on those same ships.

RIP... but still good for "once in a while"?

that's some spooky undead sh*t, right there.

Thanks to Fickles post where he did nothing but say that suprisingly BMSTs aren't awefull people around here overestimate them greatly. They do nothing but offer 2 dice ships a way to damage the undamageable aces for a change . Against most ships taking your action to actually attack is better.

All other thoughts aside, what you said right there is the reason BMST is not being overestimated.

"They don't do anything. Literally anything. Except let otherwise combat-useless ships push damage into otherwise (and until recently) untouchable Aces" - yeah, that sounds like it's a **** card that totally won't have any impact, ever.

And I still think BMST will decrease the number of Attanni Mindlinks we see. There's a bajillion ways for Scum to stress enemy ships out - especially on the Caster - and BMST is being considered an auto-include on those same ships.

Bmst is not going to effect mindlink. If anything mindlink will just get used more as each wave continues.

People will use bmst, but it's not going to be all its cracked up to be. Personally feedback array is guaranteed dmg, and is no risk

I'm willing to bet a good Mindlink squad will be able to out damage a squad based around BMST. Mindlink is spending actions on damage modifiers, BMST is spending their actions on a 50/50 chance to do one damage and remove your stress...

BMST is a cool card, but I wouldn't be too concerned with it while flying my Mindlink list.

Totally. They're both great and balanced. I just feel bad. Attanni Mind Link was already on the fringe and not competitive.

Is it really? I've done well with it and seen others do the same. Fly better...

You are seeing it wrong. BMST is NOT going to kill attani mindlink. Asajj AND ARCS with r3-a2 will though...

You are seeing it wrong. BMST is NOT going to kill attani mindlink. Asajj AND ARCS with r3-a2 will though...

He's correct. If anything it'll be the stress meta. Not bmst, and even then the stress meta depending on how strong it is, still may not effect mind link much. Thankfully if a ship gets 10 stress a turn, eachship will only get 1, and when they clear their stress, and focus the ship with 10 stress still gets that focus

Mindlink is great but to me this doesn't feel like a good time in the meta for it. Consider:

• R3-A2 is back like a hammer on the ARC
• Asaji is gonna be dishing out stress
• Rebel Captive is a ballbuster
• Tactician is showing up in a lot of recent builds

True, but more than ever Mindlink is going onto ships with great greens that can live with a bit of stress. I've played Mindlink vs Asajj a lot, and won a lot.

I'm not sure that the OP has actually used Mindlink much. Stress isn't a big deal for a Mindlinked ship and if you spend an action slicing Guri, Zuckuss, Fenn Rau, Talonbane Cobra for a 50/50 of one damage they will still have a Focus to help lay in some hurt on the ship that used it's action for Slicing and is defenseless.

BMST are great to deter Interceptors, A-Wings, Corran Horn, Inquisitor from using PtL because you only have to succeed two or three times to kill them. If you have four or more hull it isn't as scary because that 50/50 chance. It may only take four tries or it may take twelve in either case you might be better off spending that action on a Focus or Target Lock depending on who is carrying the BMST.

Thanks to Fickles post where he did nothing but say that suprisingly BMSTs aren't awefull people around here overestimate them greatly. They do nothing but offer 2 dice ships a way to damage the undamageable aces for a change. Against most ships taking your action to actually attack is better.

I don't put stock in fickle, he likes to run his mouth and have dead set ways in how he thinks, and usually are opinions differ. I also don't think a lot of people use his word as gospel, hence why he constantly keeps repeating the same thing over and over.

He is right though, BMST, they aren't awful. For a point you can a chance to help rein in PtL users, even on cheap 2 dice ships. It also allows larger non turreted ships the ability to cover themselves from arc dodgers. All in all it a decent 1 point card. Will it carry a squad? At 50% chance, no, but it definitely gives your opponent more to ponder over.

if you put stock in a person called "fickle", you're gonna lose your money

(maybe)

Heh, I'm surprised no one has brought up that Mind Link is actually getting better . The /sf came with QuickDraw allowing for a shot in the activation phase, but only at PS9... Now HotR is coming out with Snapshot, allowing folks as low as PS2 (Green w/ Adaptability + SS) to shoot in the activation phase... Though I must say that will be the exception. However, Mind Link provides you with the ability to provide Focus tokens to your aces early in activation to protect against SS... That's worth quite a bit to me.

You are seeing it wrong. BMST is NOT going to kill attani mindlink. Asajj AND ARCS with r3-a2 will though...

He's correct. If anything it'll be the stress meta. Not bmst, and even then the stress meta depending on how strong it is, still may not effect mind link much. Thankfully if a ship gets 10 stress a turn, eachship will only get 1, and when they clear their stress, and focus the ship with 10 stress still gets that focus

Yes, it's amazing how many people don't realise that Attanni Mindlink actually PROTECTS your ships from stress by allowing them to still pick up Focus tokens.

Maybe if people actually understood how the upgrades work, we'd see less baseless kneejerking threads like this one

hmmm, mindlinked quad-jump with primed thrusters is all this thread makes me think of now for some reason

too bad plutt doesn't have an EPT and yet basically has to be the best quadjump (and pilot) ever made

I mean, if we get anything more outstanding than the most unholy and trolly of abilities, I fear for the sanity of the players. There's only so much awesome one can handle

I ran a self stressing Mindlink list all last wave. All my ships were stressed every turn - I don't think I ever lost to a stress list, and certainly not in a tournament.

In my experience, stress lists hate Mindlink lists, because their stress only has a minor effect on action economy, especially if you have a K4 Manaroo flying around the outside handing out target locks.

Ha ha, no. You're probably not hunting down aces as much against a mindlink squad. At best, you've given my generics dodgy electronic baffles and limit your own actions.

I played a Manaroo/Guri/Palob with Attanni Mindlink list for the entire "wave 8 season" and stress almost never was a problem. BMST won't really do much against it, if you're careful when flying.

All in all it a decent 1 point card. Will it carry a squad? At 50% chance, no, but it definitely gives your opponent more to ponder over.

I think that's the key thing. It's one point. t's just like R4-D6 on Biggs, or Rage on Youngster in an 8-ship swarm. Is it amazing? No. It's not supposed to be amazing. If it triggers once in a game, and causes or prevents one point of damage, it's paid for itself and then some.

And if all you do is make a PTL mob be more judicious about using their extra actions....that's good, too.