How to handle gray jedi?

By kkuja, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

The MarcyVerse needs a wiki.

The MarcyVerse needs a wiki.

Oh it does. :)

I really need to take a week off and compile all this stuff under one roof!

If for no other reason than people can steal ideas for more conventional games.

And to prove our PCs sometimes wear clothing.

Edited by Maelora

The Kylaverse does have a wiki! It's in my signature (which I realize I need to change unless someone can point out the neat-o background changing option button so I can go back the pinkyverse!), you'll find not only the Wiki with all the history there, and NPCs, and PCs, but in the Adventure Log page (or the Adventures section of the Wiki) you'll find links to my re-writes of Episodes 1,2 & 3 as they exist in my gameworld!

Uhhh... that was a shameless plug, wasn't it?

It was a shameless plug, yes :P ! But that's okay - it sounds awesome, and unlike my writing which I even-more-shamelessly plugged in my Statistics thread, yours is both relevant to the current discussion and the forum as a whole!

So it's all good :) !

That's awesome, Kyla... (and I'm missing the pinkness already...!)

I really need to get my head around things like Obsidian Portal. This coming from a woman who still writes a lot of her game notes on dozens of pads of dead tree paper. Old dog, new tricks...

So Kyla! To do backgrounds, you'll want to do this: just to the left of the "Font" box is a button that say "Special BBCode" if you hover over it. Click on that, and it'll bring up a box with a dropdown. you'll want to select the second option down, which is, appropriately enough, "background-color." There will be two boxes, the only one important to you is "Option." Assuming you've been using pure Magenta (Red 255, Green 0, Blue 255) as your text color, you'd type in "ff00ff" to the "Option" box, then click "Okay." If you use a different color, let me know what it is and I can find you the hex code to do it.

It'll put a couple little tags into your post that look like this (only with square brackets instead of curly ones): {background=#ff00ff}{/background} Anything you type between the two little bracketed boxes will show up with the background. And technically, if you want, you can skip the button-pressing and just type the "background" boxes yourself to get the same result. But if you like buttons, that's the way to do it with buttons :) .

Let me know if it works!

~Phee~

EDIT: That's not the right pink...give me a second...

EDIT 2: There it is!...And the forum calls it "violet" when it clearly is not violet, and that makes me sangry...

But the code you'd use in the Option box is "#ee82ee".

Edited by Absol197

ee82ee is violett, electric violette to be specific iirc.

Works ok for me, readable, not the best contrast, but ok. Now a blue background with white text. That would be actually better than the forum defaults, I am really starting to getting old, was used be not that sensitive to text contrast … well, or maybe designers did not force me to read that much text with bad contrast values all day long ... all those grey backgrounds wear you down after some time. ;-)

Kyla's post made me remember a thought experiment I had a while back regarding the Force and morality, curious to see what other people think.

A Jedi is meditating in the temple when he has a horrible realization: "To give into emotions is the Dark Side, but heinous deeds can be, and often ARE, committed without the slightest bit of passion or hatred. Can one call upon the Light to do such terrible acts?" The more he thinks about it, the more disturbed he becomes until he decides there is only one way to find out. He gets up, walks outside, and clears his mind of emotion.

Then, when he is calm and at peace, he uses the Force to pick up a speeder truck and drop it on a crowd full of innocent civilians.

He does this without malice or hatred, passion or fear, anger or love. The most that he feels is a vague hope that he won't be able to, that's he's not about to become a mass murderer. Going by what we know of the Force, he SHOULD be able to draw on the Light, and (being calm) the dark side would elude him. So the question becomes: what happens? Does it work? Why or why not? Was it somehow the Dark Side anyways, even if it was completely passionless and selfless? Why?

And furthermore, another Force user might be walking by, and in an instant of fear or anger, react by using the force to shove the speeder so that some of those people are saved from being crushed.

I have had lengthy debates in the past with those who would, in all earnest seriousness, insist that the speeder-dropper would "of course" not slip at all toward the dark side, while the speeder-shover would "of course" seriously slip toward the dark side. Furthermore, they would have stated that the "light side" action was Good, and the "dark side" action was Bad.

I view this often-espoused "force morality" as a classic example of "blue and orange morality".

Killing dozen of innocents out of your passion for knowledge about the force? Calm and collected the jedi might be, but he is still following hi passion, his desire for knowledge instead of allowing the force to lead him.

Furthermore many examples within the canon and legends show that not emotions, not love, nor passion not even hate are the dark side. They are merely paths which lead to it. Outside of Sidious who's origin lies in mystery … all darksiders road to damnation is paved in good intentions, passion for good or even trauma and abuse. Fear, anger, passion, the inability to let loose, all those things create tragic fates for darksiders who never actually achieve their goals while walking their dark path.

Anakin was not able to save Padme, instead he killed her (I try to ignore the silly script here), Ventress avenged her Master, but she paid with a life of abuse, torture and betrayal for it and only when she could let go she could return to the light and gain the ability to protect her love. Maul was abducted and most likely tortured like his brother as part of his training, forced into his role and so far never been able to overcome this experience, nor was he able to protect his people, not even his brother.

All the darksiders fall into the fallacy just gaining more power will not only justify their action and allow them to achieve their goals.

Even in the most fundamental representation of the force with the celestial force wielders of the father, the son and the daughter we see this. The son wants just to be free, but in his struggle for independence his beloved sister dies.

@Max Oh and Lucas himself said that he approached Star Wars as a collage of cultures, ideas, other movies to create a form of myth AND soap opera. I am quite sure that Lucas himself never aimed to make star wars anything serious. Unlike a lot other peoples you do not sound bitter, just realistic. Though, I would not call the prequel era a lot down after the WEG RPG material, just vastly different than we all had imagined. The TCW final with the force planet and the mortis episodes picture a wastly different picture of the star wars universe and the force than most of us had in mind. I still like it actually, it just something really different and maybe less serious, but still interesting.

Edited by SEApocalypse

EE82EE is most assuredly NOT violet. Violet is defined as a group of colors composed, primarily, of two parts blue to one part red. If the red and blue parts are equal, then it can't be violet.

I would call it a slightly-greyed magenta, myself. The red and blue are equal although not at maximum intensity, plus the addition of significant amounts of green trends it towards a shade of grey...

It is literally violette by definition. HTML defines 'violette' as EE82EE. ^_^

You can literally just write and it will be EE82EE . Now you can argue that this definition is wrong … I can not rule out that the W3C made a mistake :P

Edited by SEApocalypse

It literally violette by definition. HTML5 defines 'violette' as EE82EE. ^_^

You can literally just write and it will be EE82EE . Now you can argue that this definition is wrong … I can not rule out that the W3C made a mistake :P

Here's something a bit more accurate.

It might not be the best source in the world, but it's at least a good starting point. Trust me, it's not a good idea to argue colors with me :P !

Luckily I don't have to argue with you. You can argue with the W3C that they screwed up. It is not the first thing they screwed up (well, maybe it even is, those color definitions are old) and it certainly won't be the last. CSS is a mess too °_^

And btw your articles seems to show the same electric violet ^-^

RGB_illumination.jpg

Good night.

Edited by SEApocalypse

You're all wrong.

Luckily I don't have to argue with you. You can argue with the W3C that they screwed up. It is not the first thing they screwed up (well, maybe it even is, those color definitions are old) and it certainly won't be the last. CSS is a mess too °_^

Fair enough, because they did screw up. From the "Shades of Violet" article on Wikipedia:

Web Color "Violet"

The so-called web color "violet" is in actuality not really a tint of violet, a spectral color, but is a non-spectral color. The web color violet is actually a rather pale tint of magenta because it has equal amounts of red and blue (the definition of magenta for computer display), and some of the green primary mixed in, unlike most other variants of violet that are closer to blue. This same color appears as "violet" in the X11 color names.

The same article actually gives the color "electric violet" as Red 143, Green 0, Blue 255.

And btw your articles seems to show the same electric violet ^-^

RGB_illumination.jpg

Good night.

Note that the text under this image in the initial articles reads:

Violet on a TV or computer screen is made by mixing blue light with a less-intense red light.

But the image shows a mix of equally-intense red and blue light in the sector you're looking at. So that makes it a form of magenta, not violet.

But anyway, this is not productive. Good night :) .

Edited by Absol197

Electric Violet will be my new female assassin droid.

As long as she's actually violet-colored and not some shade of magenta, that sounds like a plan :) !

EDIT: Unless she's something with no relation to violet at all, like chartreuse* :) . That would be even better!

* Yes, yes, I know I could have just said "green-tinged yellow," but where's the fun in that ^_^ ?

Edited by Absol197

That's awesome, Kyla... (and I'm missing the pinkness already...!)

I really need to get my head around things like Obsidian Portal. This coming from a woman who still writes a lot of her game notes on dozens of pads of dead tree paper. Old dog, new tricks...

I have never had the batteries run out on a notepad....

Dead Tree Forever!

Can we have an arguement on wether paper or online data storage is better now?

Maybe we should try our very best to stay on topic? She said hypocritically?

;)

Aye, despite the "no grey Jedi" thing, my guy is probably the greyest character around.

- Discovered his force sensitivity 6 months after finding a sith saber in a temple. Where it subtly molded him into an effective assassin for his father's killer; yet Tobin was world wise to know that "one couldn't whip out a glowing rod to summon legions of admirers like those free days.

- Is an active freedom fighter in the alliance for just reasons, that, and the fact inquisitors keep trying to capture him had NOTHING to do with it.

- In the underworld he is known as a heist master, having stolen the jewel of Yavin on TWO occasions, once on Bespin, a second time he tracked the jewel of yavin to a Hutt vault on the smugglers moon and took it again. The first time to raise a reputation for a cover op, the second time for bragging rights, wealth and to lure out his nemesis.

-In order to protect himself, he's a member of the inquisitor cabal, playing a dangerous game by feeding them information about the party, while at the same time attaching barbed hooks on that information to try and entrap the inquistors.

- As a result, he often engineers siturations that push the party to their limits; it's a nasty habit he learnt from the Sith saber.

Despite that he's a hero fighting the empire, but at the same time he's a utter self serving bastard. As his apprentice once said; "You are the centre of your own universe!"

Just want to comment on the irony of the meme posted earlier, that Jedi don't kill people... They just happen to carry around the deadliest personal weapons in the entire galaxy and even use them as the symbols of their order. That's not what you'd attribute to a pacifist organization. :rolleyes:

Just want to comment on the irony of the meme posted earlier, that Jedi don't kill people... They just happen to carry around the deadliest personal weapons in the entire galaxy and even use them as the symbols of their order. That's not what you'd attribute to a pacifist organization. :rolleyes:

Add "irony" to "Rodian" and "Twi'lek" listed earlier...

Can we have an arguement on wether paper or online data storage is better now?

I started GMing in the mid-80's and I was very slow to transition away from paper; but once I did, there was no looking back. Not only does it make it easier to modify / add to existing information, it's way easier to store and look up information from way back when. I still kill plenty of trees, though; because I usually print out my main outline so that I can can glance down at it rather than needing to turn away from my players and towards my computer screen.

Just want to comment on the irony of the meme posted earlier, that Jedi don't kill people... They just happen to carry around the deadliest personal weapons in the entire galaxy and even use them as the symbols of their order. That's not what you'd attribute to a pacifist organization. :rolleyes:

Something that's always irked me a bit is Kenobi's rather haughty assertion that lightsabers are so much more 'civilzed' than blasters. Leia got stunned by a blaster and, in what seemed to be only a short time later, was walking under her own power without even showing any signs of a concussion. When Obi-Wan wanted to take Zam alive, he did so by permanently maiming her.

Edited by Vorzakk

Note to self: never argue colours with people who have the special Signature Ability to predict the dates of splatbook releases! :)

Luckily I don't have to argue with you. You can argue with the W3C that they screwed up. It is not the first thing they screwed up (well, maybe it even is, those color definitions are old) and it certainly won't be the last. CSS is a mess too °_^

And btw your articles seems to show the same electric violet ^-^

RGB_illumination.jpg

Good night.

This shows the reason why I always questioned why Sentinels were given yellow lightsabers as their colour: its not inbetween Blue and Green but inbetwixt Red and Green, making them more a Gray Jedi or even Darksider colour! I mean, that's how it works with Purple and Violet right?

(Yeah I know it doesn't have to work like that, I'm just being an anal **** ;) ).

Just want to comment on the irony of the meme posted earlier, that Jedi don't kill people... They just happen to carry around the deadliest personal weapons in the entire galaxy and even use them as the symbols of their order. That's not what you'd attribute to a pacifist organization. :rolleyes:

To paraphrase Marcus Cole : "It's like I always say, you get more with a kind word and a lightsaber than with just a kind word."