Translation: "My one anecdotal, undocumented, no-source, personal example is superior to massive piles of statistics and compiled data."

Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.

There is no meta, only player skill

There is no best list, only imagination

There is no guarantee, only dice

There is no freedom, only templates

There is no space, only obstacles.

The Dice shall set me free.

Congratulations, the cookie is yours! *Hands Warlon a cookie*

Yayyyyy!

*eats cookie*

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Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.

There is no meta, only player skill

There is no best list, only imagination

There is no guarantee, only dice

There is no freedom, only templates

There is no space, only obstacles.

The Dice shall set me free.

Balance is a lie, there is only meta.

Through meta I gain experience.

Through experience I gain skill.

Through skill I gain victory.

Through victory my chains are broken.

And my imagination will free me.

which is based on the Sith code and is actually true...

There is no meta; only Zuul.

There is no meta only player skill

This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying

"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"

The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.

So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?

You are the prime example of someone who does not understand what the word "meta" means.

Metagaming = knowing what will be the common lists and bringing something to counter them.

Apologies. I thought it would be obvious that post was made in jest.

I suppose you just can't be sure around here

Apologies. I thought it would be obvious that post was made in jest.

I suppose you just can't be sure around here

To continue the theme:

There is no clear understanding or civilised discussion, there is only teh interwebz .

So what exactly was the list?

So what exactly was the list?

Red Squadron Veteran, R5, IA x4. Veeery scary.

There is no meta only player skill

This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying

"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"

The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.

So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?

You are the prime example of someone who does not understand what the word "meta" means.

Metagaming = knowing what will be the common lists and bringing something to counter them.

Apologies. I thought it would be obvious that post was made in jest.

I suppose you just can't be sure around here

It's really easy to "backtrack" and say it was said in sarcasm when someone rebutts you.

I did well with 2 firesprays and a Z95 once (and awful at the next tourney). Fly what you want, but don't get cocky, kid.

There is no meta only player skill

This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying

"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"

The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.

So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?

You are the prime example of someone who does not understand what the word "meta" means.

Metagaming = knowing what will be the common lists and bringing something to counter them.

Apologies. I thought it would be obvious that post was made in jest.

I suppose you just can't be sure around here

It's really easy to "backtrack" and say it was said in sarcasm when someone rebutts you.

LOL. I understand that not knowing me makes it hard to discern, but seriously look at the post again and tell me it's less likely to be Sarcasm than genuinely stupid. Especially after my first reply

So what exactly was the list?

Red Squadron Veteran, R5, IA x4. Veeery scary.

Er... They ain't vets. Red Squadron Veteran costs 26 points clean. These will be Red Squadron T-65s at 23 points a pop and a 1 point droid...

R5 seems a bit underwhelming on an X-Wing, though I suppose if you look at it as a 1-point shield with Integrated Astromech with a bonus ability that may prolong life it's a steal. I may have to look into how many of these I have...

This gives you 96 points total for your list with four PS 4 pilots. There's likely more in the list due to the fact there is little value in a PS bid at PS 4.

Flown well, yeah, it can be scary. There are lists though this will be a very hard uphill battle.

Meta is the path to FFG profit

Meta leads to buff

Buff leads to creap

Creap leads to profit

Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.

There is no meta, only player skill

There is no best list, only imagination

There is no guarantee, only dice

There is no freedom, only templates

There is no space, only obstacles.

The Dice shall set me free.

Balance is a lie, there is only meta.

Through meta I gain experience.

Through experience I gain skill.

Through skill I gain victory.

Through victory my chains are broken.

And my imagination will free me.

which is based on the Sith code and is actually true...

Fear of the meta is the path to the dark side.

Always be mindful of the present, as the meta is constantly in motion.

Do not trust the dice, as the dice will deceive you.

Use skill you must, but trust your list making instincts.

...I may have to look into how many of these I have...

This gives you 96 points total for your list with four PS 4 pilots. There's likely more in the list due to the fact there is little value in a PS bid at PS 4.

Flown well, yeah, it can be scary. There are lists though this will be a very hard uphill battle.

What about swapping one out for the obligatory Biggs (oBiggsatory) - that way, three of the four get an indirect benefit from R4-D6, plus have their own droids for whatever purpose...

..one could take R2-D6 and soak up the last 2 points on an EPT (Wingman? to help out Biggs?) , or take a 1pt EPT and let one ship take a 2pt droid ( well, hello there lil' R3 droid - ).

(I'd be tempted to give each one a different droid, just for the variety)

...I may have to look into how many of these I have...

This gives you 96 points total for your list with four PS 4 pilots. There's likely more in the list due to the fact there is little value in a PS bid at PS 4.

Flown well, yeah, it can be scary. There are lists though this will be a very hard uphill battle.

What about swapping one out for the obligatory Biggs (oBiggsatory) - that way, three of the four get an indirect benefit from R4-D6, plus have their own droids for whatever purpose...

..one could take R2-D6 and soak the last two points on an EPT, or take a 1pt EPT and let one ship take a 2pt droid ( well, hello there lil' R3 droid - ).

(I'd be tempted to give each one a different droid, just for the variety)

I'm sorely tempted by this one... yeah, I got a T-70 in there messing with the theme and not using my 4th T-65 mini but I like Jes Pava's ability. She *might* work. Gets everybody over that jumpmaster PS3 nightmare scenario, a lot of firepower and maneuvering flexibility with having four ships. Jes is going to be having a lot of re-rolls (and obviously the choice target) and Biggs... yeah, well... What does he do again?

26 - Biggs - R4-D6

26 - Jes Pava - (1 pt EPT droid + Adaptability)

24 - Red - (1 pt droid)

24 - Red - (1 pt droid)

Edit: Assumed Integrated Astro on everybody...

...2 points on an EPT (Wingman? to help out Biggs?) , or take a 1pt EPT ...

...Draw Their Fire, in case Biggs has got no shields left, but the R2-D6 ship does.

Skill is a lie, there is only meta

through meta I gain my list

through my list I gain shenanigans

through shenanigans I gain hits and crits

through hits and crits I gain victory

through victory my cardboard range ruler is broken.

The acrylic range ruler shall be mine.

I know I am way too late for the cookie, but could not resist..

Meta is just the game of the game. So, thinking about what others are going to bring is meta. There will never not be meta.

"Let go of the meta. See what is on the table before you. Let the Force guide you."

Meta is just the game of the game. So, thinking about what others are going to bring is meta. There will never not be meta.

"Let go of the meta. See what is on the table before you. Let the Force guide you."

"Let go of your preconceived notions of list building. See what is being played by everyone else. Let the meta guide you."

There will never not be meta.

Exactly, it often amazes me how poorly some people understand this concept, and the OP is clearly one of them.

Meta isn't simply the lists that everyone recognizes as being the best, and beating them with something else doesn't mean you've beat the meta or the meta doesn't exist. It simply means you played well enough to overcome the advantage those lists have.

But the idea there is no meta is simply nonsense. I remember before Armada came out there were posts from people hoping there wouldn't be a meta, but as it was pointed out to them, that's simply impossible.

Even before the days of the internet there was a meta, the mear fact that you had some clue what other people were likely to play and took that into consideration was all that was needed for there to be a meta.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the meta is a general trend rather than an absolute law. People will gravitate to effective lists. The meta is a description of the environment that we play in, that is comprised of other players with whatever they bring to the table. Someone won with X-wings? Sweet. Has it stopped people everywhere spamming palp aces? If not, the meta is intact. Indeed, non-meta lists can win tournaments precisely because they counter the top meta build!

Fear leads to Competitiveness

Competitiveness leads to Powergaming

Powergaming leads to Suffering.

Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.

There is no meta, only player skill

There is no best list, only imagination

There is no guarantee, only dice

There is no freedom, only templates

There is no space, only obstacles.

The Dice shall set me free.

This should come in the core set or something haha!

Knowing the meta is part of skill.

They are not mutually exclusive.

There is meta

There is skill

There are noobs

Ducks have bills