Truth.
Last tournament plenty of meta lists were in attendance, party bus, defenders, 3x jumpmasters and palp aces.
However, a skilled player turned up with a 4 X-Wing list and performed amongst the top tables.
I am willing to concede that he had a build that dealt with the known meta lists with pilots like Wes Janson, stressbot, Biggs and others.
.... But you just argued that there is no meta by first listing meta lists soooooo....
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This is just another example of why the X-Wing didn't get another fix in HotR. (Because it doesn't need one.)
So there is a meta you just don't have to play it
You do, apparently, have to pay enough attention to something that supposedly doesn't exist in order to form a squad that can compete within it
T-65s ARE the meta!
While some rare lists will pop up from time to time and do well, that still doesn't mean there is no meta.
I've seen players fly meta lists and do terrible with them, so while they are using meta lists it still requires skill, and if you can't fly dengeraoo, or palp aces well, you'll lose to the lesser squads.
It's always nice to see something new do well, but what were his match ups? How skilled were his opponents? How many players? Was it 6 or 8 players or 20-30 players? These are things that need to be looked at as well. There are a few factors that do come into play. That's not to say he did well because his opponent's were not good or anything
Yes the game requires skill, but meta lists are there because they are strong. If your skilled, you can beat a non skilled player who is flying a meta list even when your not.
Then there is luck involved as well. While skill is a huge aspect of the game, if you can't roll anything but blanks over and over again, you can still lose to a less skilled player, or squad if his dice are hot, while yours are not.
My point is, yes there is skill, but also yes there is a Meta
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There is no meta, only player skill
There is no best list, only imagination
There is no guarantee, only dice
There is no freedom, only templates
There is no space, only obstacles.
The Dice shall set me free.
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There is no meta, only meat.
Eat bacon.
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There is no meta, only meat.
Eat bacon.
There is no meta, only team.
Go Huskers.
There is always a meta. The meta is also part psychology. Predicting what you will see in a tournament. Just because your meta is different than the national one, doesn't change the fact it exists.
Edited by Sithborg
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There is no meta, only meat.
Eat bacon.
There is no bacon, only bacon smell.
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There is no meta, only player skill
There is no best list, only imagination
There is no guarantee, only dice
There is no freedom, only templates
There is no space, only obstacles.
The Dice shall set me free.
My side of the Force says
Meta, yet player skill
Best list, yet imagination
Guarantee, yet dice
Freedom, yet templates
Space, yet obstacles.
The Accuracy Correctors shall set me free.
Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.
There is no meta, only player skill
There is no best list, only imagination
There is no guarantee, only dice
There is no freedom, only templates
There is no space, only obstacles.
The Dice shall set me free.
My side of the Force says
Meta, yet player skill
Best list, yet imagination
Guarantee, yet dice
Freedom, yet templates
Space, yet obstacles.
The Accuracy Correctors shall set me free.
Much better.
I really wanted that cookie, so I just did it as fast as possible.
Okay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.
There is no meta, only player skill
There is no best list, only imagination
There is no guarantee, only dice
There is no freedom, only templates
There is no space, only obstacles.
The Dice shall set me free.
My side of the Force says
Meta, yet player skill
Best list, yet imagination
Guarantee, yet dice
Freedom, yet templates
Space, yet obstacles.
The Accuracy Correctors shall set me free.
The Meta is a lie, there is only Skill
Through Skill, I Fly Even Better
Through Flying Even Better, I gain MOV
Through MOV, I gain Victory
Through Victory, Acrylic Bling will be mine
Fly Casual, You're just jelly
There is no meta only player skill
"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"
The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the sum total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.
Edited by ForgottenloreDo not try and bend the meta. That's impossible. Instead, realize the truth...there is no meta. Then you will see it is not the meta that bends. It is only yourself.
There is no meta only player skill
This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying
"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"
The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.
So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?
I'm looking forward to the new T70s to drop. I've been working on my own four Xwing lists as a step up from my three and a K which has been treating me well.
There is no meta, only player skillOkay, first person who can construct a code (based on the Jedi or Sith code) off of the title of this thread gets a cookie.
There is no best list, only imagination
There is no guarantee, only dice
There is no freedom, only templates
There is no space, only obstacles.
The Dice shall set me free.
There is no meta only player skill
This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying
"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"
The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.
So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?
Yes, because he tailored his T-65s to what he was going to see that day. That is the most meta thing you can possibly do.
I am willing to concede that he had a build that dealt with the known meta lists with pilots like Wes Janson, stressbot, Biggs and others.
So he built a list to handle the meta. So it is because he played the meta.
There is no meta only player skill
This concept keeps cropping up and demonstrontes a total lack of understanding as to what the term means. It's like saying
"there is no culture, only behavior", or "there is no economy, only transactions", or "there is no ecology, only animals (and plants)", or "there is no physics, only matter and energy"
The meta isn't something that people consciously create. It isn't an object. It's the some total of what is happening in a given environment. It is literally impossible for there to not be a meta. For there to not be a meta would require that no one ever discuss the game when not playing and for the memories of each game to be erased immediately after the game. And even then there would still be a meta, but no body would be able to analyse it.
So...... what you're saying is, there is a meta, and it's composed of T-65s?
You are the prime example of someone who does not understand what the word "meta" means.
Metagaming = knowing what will be the common lists and bringing something to counter them.
[putting on imitation crusty grampa voice]
Back when I was a lad, "meta lists" were called "power lists" (and their composers "power gamers"*).
The label changes, but the concept remains the same.
(* = "beardy" was thrown around too)