Barricades, Adjacent, Monster Attacks

By Spyder, in Mansions of Madness

Hey All,

I am kind of confused. I have read through the informal FAQ on BGG, as well as numerous forum posts here in the Community for MoM 2nd Ed.

The issue I have, is around the definition of Adjacency, and attacking through Barricades.

I have found nothing in the Rules as Written (RaW) around this. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

In a nutshell, two spaces are Adjacent even if separated by Walls or Doors. But there is nothing that states a monster can not attack an Adjacent Investigator through a Wall or Door.

I ran across a situation where an Investigator Barricaded a Door. A monster in the other space on the other side of the door had a Mythos Monster Move step of "Move 2 spaces to be as Adjacent to as many Investigators as possible. Then attack the Adjacent Investigator with the lowest Agility".

This meant that the monster on the other side of the Barricade, in the Street location, was attacking the Investigator inside the building behind a Barricade, with a "leg Sweep" to knock them to the ground.

Am I missing something here? I have seen references to monsters like the Star Spawn that can attack on the other side of a wall (foot stomp or something similar) that meant it didn't matter if a Wall separated them or not... it still affected them.

Can someone point me in the right direction please?

Cheers!

Under walls in the rules reference, it says Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it.

This would answer your question on attacking through walls. Monsters can't do it unless it says specifically that they can.

The barricade though... I remember talk of people house ruling it, but it doesn't stop that adjacent attack as far as I know.

Does a ghost attack through a walk? I had a situation where the passage loops around and the ghost spawned in one room while the investigator was in a different room, but they were next to each other. App says ghost moves to be adjacent and attacks. Does it stay where it is and attack through the wall? Does it move through the wall and into the same space as the investigator (does that count for the instruction to be adjacent?), or does it stay put and I tell the app it couldn't move to be adjacent?

The definition of adjacency (from the ref guide) is as follows (emphasis mine):

"Two spaces are adjacent if they share a border, a door, an impassable border, or a wall "

Under walls we read:

"Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it "

so, if the app tells you to move adjacent and attack, it can attack through walls

The definition of adjacency (from the ref guide) is as follows (emphasis mine):

"Two spaces are adjacent if they share a border, a door, an impassable border, or a wall "

Under walls we read:

"Effects that affect adjacent spaces cannot affect spaces through walls unless an effect specifically allows it "

so, if the app tells you to move adjacent and attack, it can attack through walls

But the text for Phasing on Ghosts is that it can move through walls, but it doesn't say it can attack through walls... So I would rule that being in the next room isn't adjacent for the purposes of attacks since nothing is explicitely allowing the attack. So would it move through the wall to be in the same square as the investigator, but the same space isn't adjacent, so I would say no as well... in the case of my game I decided it couldn't move to be adjacent and selected as much in the app.

However if it can move two space, through the space the investigator into a space on the opposite side of the investigator, that IS adjacent, would it do that? I would assume yes?

I see your point now (sorry that I missed on the first passage). Ugh. I'm torn. If the ghost can move through walls, then why should it matter the wall for attacks? Dunno, ask FFG for an official answer, I see arguments in pro of both theories here.

As for your final question: aye, it seems a legit move and attack to me

Will submit a question now, and respond when I get an answer!