Millennium Falcon - appeared in ROTS - which is set at the very end of the Clone Wars.

Well, a YT-1300... The shot is too far away to tell by markings wether it is the Falcon or not.

I mean, I know not a lot of people have seen the shot, so here's the best picture I could get of it....

Yes, its blurry because its magnified...

Which scene is that?

It was also mentioned as being the MF in the same-titled book.

I personally would love to see Clone wars era ship in Armada.

They could release a new core set for the occasion, they would make some new rules so it feels like a different game but it would be compatible with the regular Armada the same way Horde is compatible with Warmachine. Imagine the possibilities with 4 factions instead of 2!

Anyways at some point they are going to be limited in terms of content from the civil war era, so they will have to do it either with the prequels or episode 7,8,9 (assuming those provides enough warship diversity).

I would hate to face republic or CIS factions as a Civil War Era player.

Well we regularly do imperial vs imperial or rebels vs rebels. And once again you're free to not do mix things up if you don't feel like doing so.

It's not like faction balance appears terribly important to FFG anyway...

If by "unbalance" you mean unbalance in terms of diversity of ship, it is not really a problem.If you take a close look you will see that there as much if more different type of ship/squadron is the prequels than in the original movies (concerning canon stuff obv)

They could release a new core set for the occasion, they would make some new rules so it feels like a different game but it would be compatible with the regular Armada the same way Horde is compatible with Warmachine. Imagine the possibilities with 4 factions instead of 2!

As if that wasn't an absolutely huge charlie-foxtrot at the start as well... And still is to this day. \

The differences are not enough to validate a second set of rules and or games.

I have complete confidence we'll see Reclusiarch and maybe even a Lucrehulk, along with the Acclamator and Venator at some point - but as was stated, either Late-War designs, or Refurbished Designs.

Unfortunately, with the new Canon being the way it is (and the suitably complex arrangement that exists between Licensor and Licensee), we cannot say for certain what is allowed, what is not, what is expressly forbidden and what is just generally accepted - as we are not party to those agreements. .

There's more than enough OT stuff about right now that we havn't seen... Rebels is constantly generating more, and that is undeniably OT era, by its own design hallmark.

We don't have to be in a rush to get anything, anyway. I am sure it will come with time. We've got a big smattering of releases right now, and we've still got Wave 5 and the Conflict to come...

Let's just wait for Wave 5 to be confirmed first. It's awfully quiet out there ATM. If they can keep rolling out more waves then we'll arrive to Clone Wars ear ships eventually.

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

I agree with everything you say. However, remember that the tech of star wars is supposed to have been essentially unchanged for untold years. Supposedly there's little difference between blasters, starfighters or capital ships from a hundred years old up to the most modern designs. Does it make sense? Nope

Actually, isn't pre-clone wars tech actually better? As I understand it, the universe was in a sort of highly advanced belle epoch. When the clone wars happened, and then the empire, everything got cheaper and more mass produced.

I beleive it was confirmed to be a camo of the millenium falcon (I remeber it being a question in start wars trivial pursuits at least )

Is trivial pursuit canon?

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

I agree with everything you say. However, remember that the tech of star wars is supposed to have been essentially unchanged for untold years. Supposedly there's little difference between blasters, starfighters or capital ships from a hundred years old up to the most modern designs. Does it make sense? Nope

I was under the impression that Civil war era tech was better, turbolasers did more damage and shields were stronger etc. Take the venator for example. It would be completely outclassed by an ISD or even a victory mark 2 in terms of firepower, armour and shields. The only way the venator really made up for the lack of these was its starfigther capacity.

But in terms of in game I think that te Clone wars era ships would be less bang fo less buck really. They might cause and take less damage but they would also be cheaper to field. And a Venator would make a nice early imperial Carrier

We discuss

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

I agree with everything you say. However, remember that the tech of star wars is supposed to have been essentially unchanged for untold years. Supposedly there's little difference between blasters, starfighters or capital ships from a hundred years old up to the most modern designs. Does it make sense? Nope

We discussed this about a year ago. The conclusion was that comparing the CW and GCW to WW1 and WW2 was inaccurate because, unlike in between episodes 3 and 4, there was an industrial revolution between the two WWs. It would be more accurate to compare the Star Wars wars to the American Civil War and the Napoleonic War. IE the changes were not so much technological as tactical.

Actually, isn't pre-clone wars tech actually better? As I understand it, the universe was in a sort of highly advanced belle epoch. When the clone wars happened, and then the empire, everything got cheaper and more mass produced.

Not really-that was basically Lucas's answer as to why everything from the clone wars was more advanced than everything we saw in SW, ESB and ROTJ.

We discuss

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

I agree with everything you say. However, remember that the tech of star wars is supposed to have been essentially unchanged for untold years. Supposedly there's little difference between blasters, starfighters or capital ships from a hundred years old up to the most modern designs. Does it make sense? Nope

We discussed this about a year ago. The conclusion was that comparing the CW and GCW to WW1 and WW2 was inaccurate because, unlike in between episodes 3 and 4, there was an industrial revolution between the two WWs. It would be more accurate to compare the Star Wars wars to the American Civil War and the Napoleonic War. IE the changes were not so much technological as tactical.

That is a much better comparison. I mean, iirc the conical bullet and rifling only started coming out at the tail end of the American Civil War. Meanwhile SW has had blasters, hyperdrive, and shields for tens of thousands of years.

Not quite, Admiral. Rifling and minie balls were in wide service before the end of the Civil War. Indeed the Rifled musket, repeating rifles (Spencer and Henry rifles), Gatling guns and modern artillery made the tactics of the day obsolete. That's why trench warfare began to creep into the war.

Yeah the whole "technology hasn't changed for thousands of years despite the fact warfare is still going on" never made sense. But then again, neither did the whole "there was no army or navy until the clone wars"

Anytime we get new ships it's all-good to me. If they want to give us separatist and clone ships that would be great, but don't expect anything mind blowing. I used to play WW2 ship miniatures, and every once in a while someone would set up scenarios that came out at the end of WW1. They were ok on the battle, but not a real force to be reckoned with.

Look at the HMS Prince of Wales. It was the original, definitive battle cruiser or fast battleship. At the end of world war one it was the power at sea in the Atlantic. It the time between WW1 and WW2 a simple technological change, the trajectory of shells fired at longer ranges, meant that Prince of Wales had only wooden decks to protect it's magazines from the plunging fire that longer ranges created.

This is the most famous example, but it's what a gamer should expect when older tech is faced off against cutting edge. I hope we get some clone wars ships, but I'm not expecting them to be any real powerhouses. Even upgrading the tech of ships won't make them the equivalent of there modern counterparts

I agree with everything you say. However, remember that the tech of star wars is supposed to have been essentially unchanged for untold years. Supposedly there's little difference between blasters, starfighters or capital ships from a hundred years old up to the most modern designs. Does it make sense? Nope

I was under the impression that Civil war era tech was better, turbolasers did more damage and shields were stronger etc. Take the venator for example. It would be completely outclassed by an ISD or even a victory mark 2 in terms of firepower, armour and shields. The only way the venator really made up for the lack of these was its starfigther capacity.

But in terms of in game I think that te Clone wars era ships would be less bang fo less buck really. They might cause and take less damage but they would also be cheaper to field. And a Venator would make a nice early imperial Carrier

The problem with the idea of Clone wars Tech being better is the quality of the ships designed during the galactic civil war. The case in point would be the Death Star. If the tech to build this thing was wildly available many Bothians wouldn't have died. This was the result of an intensive ongoing imperial research and development program. If this wasn't new tech with better weapons and shields the rebels would have built their own version. It wouldn't have firepower to destroy a planet, maybe just enough to cripple a moon sized mobile space station.

That's one example, but it embodies the idea. It's impossible to make bigger better without improved technology. In the modern world you can't simply take a destroyer and scale it up to battleship size.(I know battle ships aren't viable any more, just making a point.) The increase in size requires a bigger power plant, which requires more fuel and cooling. With bigger turbo lasers you might not need bigger ammo magazines, but you need an even bigger power plant and conduit that can contain that power on the way to the guns. It requires more power for shield for all the, so engine room grew again. finally amount of armor to cover all of this.

Putting all of this into a package that is structurally stable requires even more Tech. The larger size of Galactic Civil War ships is itself the evidence of better Technology. If the most effective ship you can build is the size of a small cruiser then that's as big as you build. Look at the Iowa class BB in the US navy. Technology caught up to them. They could still do the same job as a guided missile cruiser, but why pay the extra upkeep for the battleships size. Tech is nipping at the heals of the cruisers and there are destroyers doing some of the jobs that people thought you had to have a CGM for. The point is that navies only build bigger when bigger definitively is better

While I definitely disagree to the point of the Clone Wars being more advanced then the OT in space hull design doesn't have that much significance to advanced technology. One could easily say the Empire continues to use retrofitted venators and acclamators. The Gozanti were Separatist warships for goodness sake and according to Rebels have widespread Imperial use.

I love Star Wars. Let me start with that.

But come on - out of sci-fi, it is pretty much the one least able to stand up to analysis. It doesn't help that the first thing released suffered from having the most limits on what they could show on screen.

Jumping back and forth to the past and future from that point causes problems. (Though technically, I don't think anything pre Clone Wars is canon anymore).

Sorry if the last post seemed off the wall. That was a first thing in the morning while I was waking up thing

No worries, Vogons. We're all star wars fans here

The Gozanti were Separatist warships for goodness sake and according to Rebels have widespread Imperial use.

I don't remember seeing them used by Separatists - though I did see them used by Black Sun. And some appeared in the PT before the Clone Wars broke out. They're basically civilian freighters - but ones easily refitted with weapons, and versatile - hence both Imperials and criminals using them (and probably legit traders as well).

The only thing more appealing to me than ISDs are the prospect of Lucrehulks and Vulture droid swarms.

I have a special place in my heart for perfecry regal brockades.

I always thought of them as equivalent to Jeep Carriers from WWII: civilian designs converted to cheap military platforms. They carry just enough fighters to be effective for escort or picket duty.

The only thing more appealing to me than ISDs are the prospect of Lucrehulks and Vulture droid swarms.

I have a special place in my heart for perfecry regal brockades.

Lucrehulks are by no means ISDs, but I really want to see one. How fast would they be, though?

Wookieepedia just spat at me:


Lucrehulks are almost twice the length of an ISD1 (3000m vs 1600m)

But half half the engine power (Atmosphereic Speeds of 500kph vs 975kph)

Of course, that doesn't say much overall.

But check yourself

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucrehulk-class_battleship

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer

I'd hope for a square base ship with equal shields and batteries on each flank, high yaw and low speed. High squadrons and command values.

Maximum speed 1 would be interesting.