Biggs vs TIE/SF title

By killerbeardhawk, in X-Wing

I'm not sure how much Biggs will effect this title. If Biggs is only in your rear arc, is the whole title negated? If Biggs is in the front arc can you then not shoot a second time in the rear arc?

If Biggs is in the rear arc and at range 1-3, you cannot attack anyone that is in your front arc to trigger the second attack. If Biggs is in your front arc you may attack him, trigger the title and attack a ship that is in your rear arc.

EDIT: Important to note that Biggs needs to be within range 1 of the target you would rather shoot to have any effect.

Edited by WWHSD

I think WWHSD has it.

I would like to elaborate on what WWHSD said.

Keep in mind that Bigg's ability is ONLY range 1. So while it is possible that there is a valid target in your front arc that is protected by Biggs who is in your rear arc - it is a rather unlikely scenario.

I would like to elaborate on what WWHSD said.

Keep in mind that Bigg's ability is ONLY range 1. So while it is possible that there is a valid target in your front arc that is protected by Biggs who is in your rear arc - it is a rather unlikely scenario.

Good catch on that. In most situations you probably would end up being able to attack someone in the front arc and then attack Biggs as well from your rear as long as they aren't within range 1 of each other.

Edited by WWHSD

I would like to elaborate on what WWHSD said.

Keep in mind that Bigg's ability is ONLY range 1. So while it is possible that there is a valid target in your front arc that is protected by Biggs who is in your rear arc - it is a rather unlikely scenario.

Good catch on that. In most situations you probably would end up being able to attack someone in the front arc and then attack Biggs as well from your rear as long as they aren't within range 1 of each other.

Yup, that would be the most common scenario. Again, it is technically possible for Biggs to be in the rear arc and protecting someone in the front arc, but it's highly improbable.

for the record, Biggs does NOT force you to target him flatout.

The title splitfire isnt affected by him. If he is in range1 of your rear arc "intended" target, you must shoot at him instead. Primary arc is a completely separate attack at a completely separate target, Biggs cannot be within range 1 of both unless hes right next to you and out of arc, which negates his ability entirely. Thus, the primary arc shot is not soaked by Biggs.

The rule where you have to shoot at biggs if you can is only if you have a weapon that can hit him AND his in range1 of your intended target, even if the weapon you chose normally cant hit him if you have one that can then you have to hit him. You can completely ignore him and fire at someone not in range 1 of biggs, even if biggs is right in your face.

I would like to elaborate on what WWHSD said.

Keep in mind that Bigg's ability is ONLY range 1. So while it is possible that there is a valid target in your front arc that is protected by Biggs who is in your rear arc - it is a rather unlikely scenario.

Oh yea, forgot about the within range one of biggs part. That would make it extremely difficult but still technically possible. Honestly, if Biggs is on the board I usually just try to kill him first anyway so I don't even have to worry about it when I am shooting at someone else.

I would like to elaborate on what WWHSD said.

Keep in mind that Bigg's ability is ONLY range 1. So while it is possible that there is a valid target in your front arc that is protected by Biggs who is in your rear arc - it is a rather unlikely scenario.

Oh yea, forgot about the within range one of biggs part. That would make it extremely difficult but still technically possible. Honestly, if Biggs is on the board I usually just try to kill him first anyway so I don't even have to worry about it when I am shooting at someone else.

Yup. He gives you so much more headaches if you try to dodge him. Not worth it. Xwings arent terribly hard to remove. Let him soak the alpha, but ensure he dies in the alpha and doesnt screw up any future shots.

... Biggs cannot be within range 1 of both unless hes right next to you and out of arc, which negates his ability entirely.

That's not true. Biggs can easily be in your rear arc and at range one of a friendly in your front arc. It's not something that is likely to happen every shot but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened a couple times a game (assuming that Biggs lives that long).

If Biggs is in the rear arc and at range 1-3, you cannot attack anyone that is in your front arc to trigger the second attack. If Biggs is in your front arc you may attack him, trigger the title and attack a ship that is in your rear arc.

This is how we played it today. Biggs forces the first attack to come from the rear arc, preventing an attack from the front.

If Biggs is in the rear arc and at range 1-3, you cannot attack anyone that is in your front arc to trigger the second attack. If Biggs is in your front arc you may attack him, trigger the title and attack a ship that is in your rear arc.

This is how we played it today. Biggs forces the first attack to come from the rear arc, preventing an attack from the front.

*only* if the people in your front arc are in r1 of Biggs and biggs is in one of your arcs. If biggs is in you back arc and someone's outside r1 of him in your front arc, double shot away.

Far too many people miss the range 1 limit on Biggs' ability.

If Biggs is in the rear arc and at range 1-3, you cannot attack anyone that is in your front arc to trigger the second attack. If Biggs is in your front arc you may attack him, trigger the title and attack a ship that is in your rear arc.

This is how we played it today. Biggs forces the first attack to come from the rear arc, preventing an attack from the front.

*only* if the people in your front arc are in r1 of Biggs and biggs is in one of your arcs. If biggs is in you back arc and someone's outside r1 of him in your front arc, double shot away.

Far too many people miss the range 1 limit on Biggs' ability.

Well yes, that's the rule on Biggs. Thus, that's how we played it.

The most likely way I think you'll get a target in your front arc and Biggs within R1 of that target and inside your rear arc is when neither of the targets is completely within your arc.

... Biggs cannot be within range 1 of both unless hes right next to you and out of arc, which negates his ability entirely.

That's not true. Biggs can easily be in your rear arc and at range one of a friendly in your front arc. It's not something that is likely to happen every shot but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened a couple times a game (assuming that Biggs lives that long).

Couple times a game?

... Biggs cannot be within range 1 of both unless hes right next to you and out of arc, which negates his ability entirely.

That's not true. Biggs can easily be in your rear arc and at range one of a friendly in your front arc. It's not something that is likely to happen every shot but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened a couple times a game (assuming that Biggs lives that long).

Couple times a game?

There should be an "of" in between "couple" and "times".

After putting some models on the table and seeing what the positioning for this could actually be, I think that it is a situation that could occur more than once in the average game but won't be happening constantly. This assumes that the Biggs player is trying to make it happen and the TIE/sf player isn't actively trying to avoid it.