New Tech for Poe Dameron

By Schu81, in X-Wing

Hello there, XWing Community!

Which Tech would you put on Poe Dameron?

- Sensor Cluster

This option seems to boost his defensive skills a lot. With just one Focus token on Poe and a dice result of one blank + one eye, you'd still get 2 evades.

- Pattern Analyzer

This option helps Poe to always get a Focus token, which is very important for him.

- Primed Thrusters

Alright, this might be useful to use BB8, but it doesn't fit his pilot skills perfectöy

really isnt much of an option.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

Primed Thrusters TECHNICALLY help so he can boost away when being chased by a stresser, but its kinda situational.

Pattern Analyzer lets him keep attacking the entire game without risking being caught without a focus. Trolls are very powerful moves, but the lack of action makes the T70 (except Ello) never do it.

really isnt much of an option.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

Primed Thrusters TECHNICALLY help so he can boost away when being chased by a stresser, but its kinda situational.

Pattern Analyzer lets him keep attacking the entire game without risking being caught without a focus. Trolls are very powerful moves, but the lack of action makes the T70 (except Ello) never do it.

There's the big assumption there that you're running R5-P9. I wouldn't be surprised if we see PTL BB-8 or R2-D2 with Sensor cluster builds. Sensor cluster is actually a pretty good option for Poe.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

It's probably meta dependent, but I almost never see Poe with a regen droid that isn't R2-D2. Poe with Sensor Cluster, Autothrusters, and R2-D2 is almost immune to anything that isn't putting more than 3 hits a round on him.

Never seen poe without R5P9, ever. Ive tried to find other ways to use him because of the high ps. His ability feels so lackluster unless you have R5P9 on there.

And i laugh whenever i see an Xwing with R2D2. Even T70s have like no greens, theyre super easy to chase down/predict.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

It's probably meta dependent, but I almost never see Poe with a regen droid that isn't R2-D2. Poe with Sensor Cluster, Autothrusters, and R2-D2 is almost immune to anything that isn't putting more than 3 hits a round on him.

Assuming he is getting his actions and not rolling terribly this is a good point but if he's blocked or stressed sensors is meh (though they all sort of are at that point).

I'm going to want to try it ps9 predator r2d2 thrusters pattern Poe at least for a bit. Being able to t roll and still focus seems pretty good for his joustey style.

Poe with BB-8 and PTL probably wants Primed Thrusters. It gives him some flexibility on when to use PTL and allows BB-8 to be used if he's got a stress from the previous turn.

really isnt much of an option.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

Primed Thrusters TECHNICALLY help so he can boost away when being chased by a stresser, but its kinda situational.

Pattern Analyzer lets him keep attacking the entire game without risking being caught without a focus. Trolls are very powerful moves, but the lack of action makes the T70 (except Ello) never do it.

There's the big assumption there that you're running R5-P9. I wouldn't be surprised if we see PTL BB-8 or R2-D2 with Sensor cluster builds. Sensor cluster is actually a pretty good option for Poe.

I still think Rey should have said rubbish instead of garbage, sounds more natural.

Edited by GrimmyV

I run Core Poe PS8 with R2D2, Wired.

For me, Primed Thrusters. I tend to occasionally not dial in a green and keep my stress after I turn or t-roll. Keeps my opponent guessing and why I use Wired. Prime fits into this style and lets me keep the option to Boost.

I like Sensor Cluster too.

As someone who flies old Poe with BB-8, the Primed Thrusters would be nice. A free barrel roll before moving is great for avoiding rocks and blockers, so being able to do it without restriction (minus the 3stress max) is nice.

For the more traditional r5-p9 build, I'd go with Pattern analyzer to be able to T-roll when ever and still have a focus for dice and regen (hopefully, anyway).

Never seen poe without R5P9, ever. Ive tried to find other ways to use him because of the high ps. His ability feels so lackluster unless you have R5P9 on there.

And i laugh whenever i see an Xwing with R2D2. Even T70s have like no greens, theyre super easy to chase down/predict.

I tend to think the same is true of Poe with R5P9 since taking his action away becomes a double loss for him but both have had some success.

Edited by AlexW

The problem with sensor cluster, even on R2-D2/BB-8 Poe, is that Poe wants to keep his focus for defense against later attacks. It's great if you're only getting attacked once, or if circumstances align such that you have a blank on your last defense roll that autothrusters won't work on. It certainly can pay off,but there's a lot of ifs in there.

Primed Thrusters is situational- It's nice on BB-8 Poe for making it possible to barrel roll after a k-turn or t-roll, but you're still not getting the flexibility of pre-move Barrel roll+Boost. Still, it might be worth it over an initiative bid in some builds.

Pattern Analyzer is the real gem- Being able to get a focus after a tallon roll is huge.

And i laugh whenever i see an Xwing with R2D2.

edit: ninja'd!

Edited by skotothalamos

Poe with PTL, R5P9, Pattern Analyzers, and Autothrusters is extraordinary (Black 1 optional). I've been messing around with it, and it feels extremely powerful. He's got standard Poe endurance from long range/out of arc shots, but Pattern Analyzers means on green moves he can Push for a stress, then clear it, meaning he doesn't carry stress from turn to turn as often. This opens up all his white and red moves for when he needs them, and his red moves still allow him to get a Focus the turn he performs them.

R5p9 pa is too fun

T70s were meant to t-roll

really isnt much of an option.

Sensor Clusters only works once, and unless thats the last shot hitting him he really doesnt want to do that. And if he does, no regen.

Primed Thrusters TECHNICALLY help so he can boost away when being chased by a stresser, but its kinda situational.

Pattern Analyzer lets him keep attacking the entire game without risking being caught without a focus. Trolls are very powerful moves, but the lack of action makes the T70 (except Ello) never do it.

There's the big assumption there that you're running R5-P9. I wouldn't be surprised if we see PTL BB-8 or R2-D2 with Sensor cluster builds. Sensor cluster is actually a pretty good option for Poe.

Don't you get it that POE without R5/R2 is garbage! At least, that's what the meta-wing folks will have you believe. Putting BB-8 on him and PTL (or VI, really) would allow home to arc dodge like crazy and not need regen.

I still think Rey should have said rubbish instead of garbage, sounds more natural.

I don't think he'll be quite as good at arc dodging as you'd assume. BB-8 and PTL provide great action economy, but only under very specific conditions:

1) you start the turn unstressed

2a) you want to barrel roll and 2b) you have room to perform a barrel roll where one of your green moves will take you

3) you have a green maneuver that works for where you need to be this turn.

1) and 2a) mean that if you don't want to barrel roll on a given turn, you also have to consider very carefully whether to still use PTL because doing so means you won't be able to trigger the combo next turn. Same goes for any red maneuvers. So already you have one upgrade that is both enabled by and constrains the use of another in the combo. 2b) and 3) make things very awkward because the number of greens available to a T-70 means it's pretty easy to predict where a ship with this combo is going and block either its move or the barrel roll, and if you find you can't make the BR then you're stuck back at the question if you want to take stress and break the combo for at least a turn.

Not covered in the above bit is the extra bit of awkwardness when it comes to ordering your actions. You can barrel roll, barrel roll then boost, or just boost, but you have no ability with this combo to boost then barrel roll.

tl;dr the combo sounds great on paper but in practice(I've done it a bit with Wedge who maybe isn't quite as good a base ship for it(no thrusters, 4 points to get boost) it just feels really fiddly. Nevermind that with just BB-8 and PTL PS8 Poe is 36 points before any other upgrades, and you really probably want PS9 if you're going for the arc dodging ace roll, so 38 points for PS9 Poe.

R5p9 pa is too fun

T70s were meant to t-roll

Exactly. I've never really like PTL aces, because I feel like you're not getting the dial you paid for. With PA, you do, at least a good chunk of the time, when you really want it.

The problem with sensor cluster, even on R2-D2/BB-8 Poe, is that Poe wants to keep his focus for defense against later attacks. It's great if you're only getting attacked once, or if circumstances align such that you have a blank on your last defense roll that autothrusters won't work on. It certainly can pay off,but there's a lot of ifs in there.

Sensor Clusters is really more of a late game upgrade for Poe.

...it's not like you can't just save the focus for the last ship shooting at you.

Being able to turn eyeball blank into two evades is good. Especially if you're either arc-dodging with BB-8 or regenerating with R2.

Edited by Zefirus

...it's not like you can't just save the focus for the last ship shooting at you.

Being able to turn eyeball blank into two evades is good.

Or a pair of blanks into a pair of evades if Autothrusters triggers.

The problem with sensor cluster, even on R2-D2/BB-8 Poe, is that Poe wants to keep his focus for defense against later attacks. It's great if you're only getting attacked once, or if circumstances align such that you have a blank on your last defense roll that autothrusters won't work on. It certainly can pay off,but there's a lot of ifs in there.