So everything has been shown except for Hot-spot Co-pilot, Trickshot(?) and the generic YT.

There is a lot of speculation about the upgrades, but what will the PS3 YT bring? Surely it won't be as bad as ORS, can it be the rebel version of a Scout? It won't be a missile boat, but if it's cheap (<35 points) with 2 crew and full Falcon stats, it can be a great filler/support ship. If it's 33 points without a drop in stats, I'm sure many will pick up 3 sets.

Based on the Patrol Leader precedent, I'm going to guess 40 points for everything the named Falcons bring except the EPT.

basically

40 points for patrol leader stats, or Ps 3 down from Chewie so a 2 point discount

no way in the ever burning hells will it be 33 points (See also: shadowcaster generic)

also, who cares? It's a boring ass generic PWT that can't even equip vader

Based on the Patrol Leader precedent, I'm going to guess 40 points for everything the named Falcons bring except the EPT.

That's what I'm afraid of, hoping it presents a better option.

I'm calling 39 points.

Ever since the Scout catastrophe, I'm all in on them overcosting every large base generic from this point forward honestly.

The real shame though is that they didn't just include the ORS again and making Smuggling Compartment give ships with a PS lower than 3 a 5 point discount.

I wish they'd just do a YT-1300 only dual-crew card that gives a 2pt discount...then you could run 4 bare ORS!

20 points. Drown the scouts in shields and hull.

Some ships, Im okay with the generic being overcoasted. Any list with more than one Falcon just feels wrong, its such an iconic ship, this rare old hunk a junk that still flies the Galaxy should not be spammed. Also I don't think every faction should have every possibility, so if people want to fly Torp boat/ turret spam, there is a scum list for that.

I can't see it being much below 40 points and still keeping full Falcon stats. Look at how much the Punishing 1 title costs to get an idea of how they value the jump from 2 red PWT to 3.

What really make Scouts powerful are the crazy combos they can pull. Rebels have some great crew but I don't think there is anything that can match the action economy and damage output of the U-boat.

I've never had experience with Contracted Scouts before, wasn't the problem the EPT slot?

Doubtless the generic YT-1300 won't have one. Although I'd take an EPT over a 3 PWT to be honest.

I've never had experience with Contracted Scouts before, wasn't the problem the EPT slot?

However the EPT on the generics is the heart of the U-boat problem. The ability to take Deadeye and Overclocked R4 is at the heart of the crazy action economy that makes triple Scouts something to be feared. Along with an outrageously good dial for shedding the stress it generates.

I call 35 points - average of Chewie and ORS points rounded up and at the same cost as a Lothal Rebel.

Looking at the artwork, more than likely an Attack value of 3.

Ever since the Scout catastrophe, I'm all in on them overcosting every large base generic from this point forward honestly.

The real shame though is that they didn't just include the ORS again and making Smuggling Compartment give ships with a PS lower than 3 a 5 point discount.

Have I missed something? Which catastrophe? ;-)

I call 35 points - average of Chewie and ORS points rounded up and at the same cost as a Lothal Rebel.

I think it will be higher than that. Assume PS3 for the generic then that is 1-2 points for account for the difference and then a couple of points at most to cover Chewie's special rules. I cannot see it being less than 38 points (happy to be proved wrong though).

i would be surprised if it has an EPT

Meaning i hope its 1 of 2 things:

1) Full falcon stats for 38-40pts, possible to work it into a list at those points since it will still be beefy and have a 3die attack.

2) Still has the reduced statline but is uber cheap. The current generic is a missile/2crew carrier thats somewhat beefy, its just way overpriced to be used. I doubt they'd make a PS3 cheaper than the PS1 though, even if the PS1 was utter garbage lol.

If it DOES have an EPT though....honestly not sure if that would lead to any crazy shenanigans since the EPT on Contract Scouts isnt a problem until you realize theyre a dirt cheap, beefy, deadeye platform. Ive never seen them without deadeye be a threat. Falcon has a single missile, deadeye isnt a good option

To Vineheart's point - they won't make a better pilot cheaper than the ORS. So therefore, if it has the outgoing statline, I expect it will be a PS3 w/ EPT for 28 points. This is as cheap as they can make it, and as good as they can make it, and it probably won't make it competitive.

But I fully expect it to have the full stat line for 39 points. The question becomes, EPT or not? My guess is towards the not.

12 points, 2/1/3/3 stat line, let the falcon swarms block out the Sun.

If it costs 40 it might aswell not exist, nobody ever runs patrol leader except for some brave souls still running a decivader. Not if you can get Oicunn/Chewie for 42.

Contracted scout+P1 title is 37pts, same PS, probably no EPT on generic YT and worse upgrade options (not even close to be honest). So id say 37is a good bet, wouldnt be surprised if its 38/39.

Not that it matters much, this wont see play unless there is a huge shift in the meta.

If it costs 40 it might aswell not exist, nobody ever runs patrol leader except for some brave souls still running a decivader. Not if you can get Oicunn/Chewie for 42.

Contracted scout+P1 title is 37pts, same PS, probably no EPT on generic YT and worse upgrade options (not even close to be honest). So id say 37is a good bet, wouldnt be surprised if its 38/39.

Not that it matters much, this wont see play unless there is a huge shift in the meta.

But Patrol Leader isn't bad. The named pilots just have more utility with good pilot abilities and Elites. You can still make a super solid Patrol Leader build thats pretty competitive.

I think I could see the argument for the falcon generic to be 3/1/6/4 with 3 ps and run at a cost of 34 points. That's a 7 point payment for 1 weapon power and 1 PS over ORS which is overcosted already. I think that is the sweet spot, you can only run 2x but you have more flexibility.

It can be cheaper than a Scout with Punishing One title, as the title has to include the combination with Dengar's pilot ability. I'm guessing 35 with no EPT. At 35 points, it would be the same as a Lothal Rebel, which is probably okay.

Patrol Leader really does set the precedent for this ship to be 40 points. At that cost, I can not see it being used competitively.

In order for it to be worth taking simultaneous fire from Scouts, shooting after Crackswarms, and losing out on Chewbacca's EPT slot and Pilot Ability, it'd probably have to be down to 37pts, tops. I guess 38pts with an EPT slot would be solid, but I'm kinda doubtful that it'll they costed it in such a way.

I'm really betting on 40pts, no EPT slot, "meh".

I think I could see the argument for the falcon generic to be 3/1/6/4 with 3 ps and run at a cost of 34 points. That's a 7 point payment for 1 weapon power and 1 PS over ORS which is overcosted already. I think that is the sweet spot, you can only run 2x but you have more flexibility.

paying far too little for the PWT compared to the Shadowcaster generic's mobile arc for only 1 point less

I doubt it's got the three dice turret. 3-turrets in general are pretty OP. Plus, it kinda goes against the movies to have a falcon swarm. Even two falcons kinda makes me cringe!