HotR looks to be giving us two new tech upgrades that both allow actions after a red move.

My question is, when would you rather have the primed thrusters? Primed Thrusters is a point less, and activates under slightly different conditions, but it seems like a more limited upgrade. I'm not saying it's worthless, just a clear step down in flexibility at first glance.

You could use Primed Thrusters if you were tagged with stress from a previous round and didn't/couldn't shed it with a green, but still wanted to have a reposition action available. But overall it seems outshone by Pattern Analyzer, which allows you to take an action after a red maneuver, or to work as a poor man's PTL and BB-8 combo (pushing the limit and shedding the stress on a green maneuver).

HotR looks to be giving us two new tech upgrades that both allow actions after a red move.

My question is, when would you rather have the primed thrusters? Primed Thrusters is a point less, and activates under slightly different conditions, but it seems like a more limited upgrade. I'm not saying it's worthless, just a clear step down in flexibility at first glance.

You could use Primed Thrusters if you were tagged with stress from a previous round and didn't/couldn't shed it with a green, but still wanted to have a reposition action available. But overall it seems outshone by Pattern Analyzer, which allows you to take an action after a red maneuver, or to work as a poor man's PTL and BB-8 combo (pushing the limit and shedding the stress on a green maneuver).

Lrimed thrusters would let you use bb8s ability while stressed

Primed Thrusters actually work nicely with BB-8 since you are able to trigger him even while stressed.

yes one is better than the other ("Better" being relative because once you're stressed, PA is effectively worthless until you clear it while Thrusters keep on chugging)

might be because one costs twice as many points

You can get stress from a LOT more than just a maneuver (stressbot, flechettes, tactician, etc)

Pattern Analyzer only deals with one type of stress, as you receive it.

Primed Thrusters lets you deal (a little bit) with any kind of stress, and in a 'chronic' sort of situation (IE., you're not getting rid of it)

I don't really know why people keep equating the two. Pattern analyzer is good while you're not stressed, while proton thrusters are good when you are already stressed.. There are a TON of times where I choose to keep stress for a turn or two instead of shedding it either because I'm in a bad position. Not everybody has a green turn.

personal prediction, you're going to see a lot more primed on Quadjumps

**** things are utterly useless thus far ito throwing dice, but you get Mr. Plutt with an int agent barrel-rolling off of even red maneuvers ( and through debris ) and you, sir, are going to have shenanigans

In a meta with a lot of weaponized stress, Primed Thrusters will be a stronger choice than it would be if most stress is self inflicted.

Primed thrusters would be decent on ships that specifically encourage boosting or barrel rolling. Blue Ace and Snap Wexely come to mind, also that TIE/FO that does the nifty barrel roll.

personal prediction, you're going to see a lot more primed on Quadjumps

**** things are utterly useless thus far ito throwing dice, but you get Mr. Plutt with an int agent barrel-rolling off of even red maneuvers ( and through debris ) and you, sir, are going to have shenanigans

Yeah, reverse maneuver barrel roll is now definitely possible. (Assuming the reverse maneuver that looks pretty likely is red).

I could see targeting astro mech and primed thrusters being a thing. That's a nice increase in potential for 1 point.

TIE/FO barrel roll after a 2 S-loop. Yep. Nothing to see here. Move along.

What sort of patterns does the 'pattern analyzer' analyze? How is that Imperial officer interpreting those wavy lines on the screen? Can someone explain these patterns with some Starwars science?

What sort of patterns does the 'pattern analyzer' analyze? How is that Imperial officer interpreting those wavy lines on the screen? Can someone explain these patterns with some Starwars science?

This is an informational video for you.

https://youtu.be/FcArnepkhv0?t=26

What sort of patterns does the 'pattern analyzer' analyze? How is that Imperial officer interpreting those wavy lines on the screen? Can someone explain these patterns with some Starwars science?

Maybe it's a device that predicts where the target is going to be or do based on its trajectory or other data, so that the pilot is informed and can plan ahead. And when he or she needs to perform a hard maneuver to stay on target, the ship may become stressed but the pilot is able to do its actions because he or she was expecting that movement anyway.

Or it's just a sci-fi mumbo jumbo word on a card.

Exactly so. As long as you're doing maneuver actions, Thrusters are better. If you just want to pull a K-turn/Talon Roll and still focus, Analyser is better.

So, for example, Thrusters are amazing with BB-8/VI 'Snap' Wexley - you can talon roll, get a free boost, then next turn get a free barrel roll. Getting a boost and barrel roll with something (normally) as lumbering as an X-wing whilst stressed is amazing.

AFAICT Pattern Analyzer is usually going to be better if you expect to do a lot of red manoeuvres followed by green manoeuvres - i.e. there's little imposed stress.

Primed Thrusters is going to be better if you expect to see a bunch of stress control in the meta.

Interesting thought: Snap can still boost even if he runs over a Conner Net.

R3-A2 with Primed thrusters to re position after giving someone stress.

Too bad the stress hog cannot take a tech slot. Can you imagine a stress hog that can still boost after dealing two stress.

Too bad the stress hog cannot take a tech slot. Can you imagine a stress hog that can still boost after dealing two stress.

Y wings can't boost normally...

That would be a very expensive stresshog.

What sort of patterns does the 'pattern analyzer' analyze? How is that Imperial officer interpreting those wavy lines on the screen? Can someone explain these patterns with some Starwars science?

Maybe it's a device that predicts where the target is going to be or do based on its trajectory or other data, so that the pilot is informed and can plan ahead. And when he or she needs to perform a hard maneuver to stay on target, the ship may become stressed but the pilot is able to do its actions because he or she was expecting that movement anyway.

Or it's just a sci-fi mumbo jumbo word on a card.

Exactly this, I imagine an avionics package loaded with a neural network trained on all the gun-cam footage taken from previous dogfights. This would then be able to analyse patterns in the enemy movements and suggest manoeuvres, leaving the pilot to focus on other things.

Too bad the stress hog cannot take a tech slot. Can you imagine a stress hog that can still boost after dealing two stress.

Y wings can't boost normally...

That would be a very expensive stresshog.

that it would but still the implications.

Too bad the stress hog cannot take a tech slot. Can you imagine a stress hog that can still boost after dealing two stress.

Y wings can't boost normally...

That would be a very expensive stresshog.

that it would but still the implications.

Has anybody noted that Pattern Analyzer goes pretty well is probably autoinclude on PS 9 PtL Poe? If you choose a green move, you remove the PtL'ed stress. If you choose a red move, you still get your focus.

Too bad the stress hog cannot take a tech slot. Can you imagine a stress hog that can still boost after dealing two stress.

Y wings can't boost normally...

That would be a very expensive stresshog.

that it would but still the implications.

After the first double tap, Primed Thrusters would turn off for the stresshog.

Has anybody noted that Pattern Analyzer goes pretty well is probably autoinclude on PS 9 PtL Poe? If you choose a green move, you remove the PtL'ed stress. If you choose a red move, you still get your focus.

Yes. We have.

There are probably two Poe builds once HotR drops - regen Poe with R5P9 and Pattern Analyzer, or BB8 Poe with PTL, BB8, Sensor Cluster.

Exactly so. As long as you're doing maneuver actions, Thrusters are better. If you just want to pull a K-turn/Talon Roll and still focus, Analyser is better.

So, for example, Thrusters are amazing with BB-8/VI 'Snap' Wexley - you can talon roll, get a free boost, then next turn get a free barrel roll. Getting a boost and barrel roll with something (normally) as lumbering as an X-wing whilst stressed is amazing.

Actually with Primed Thrusters, you'll get BB-8's barrel roll AND Snap's boost while stressed. Two repositioning actions while I'm already stressed? Yes please.