One thing does occur to me, it looks lie we still do not know what "Trick..." and "Hot ..." are in the box.

Or am I wrong and they were revealed and I already forgot about them.

For now, I like flying simple generic spam lists because that is my comfort zone and it makes some sense thematically. A whole squad of unique pilots with different abilities and different PS certainly makes my life more difficult. Guess I should just git gud.

Or go back to Wave 3, when PS was not considered a thing worth paying for, for various good reasons.

I'm a bit dismayed that FFG has decided to push lists ever smaller by loading power onto high PS ships, or Large expensive ships (or both).

This isn't because I dislike 3 ship lists! But I do miss 5-6 ship lists being competitive and good.

I maybe wrong but this expansion seems like it has plenty of goodies for low to mid PS ships. A generic T70 with Targeting Astromech and either of the two new tech upgrades is going to have a lot of flexibility. The mid-PS named pilots are all priced well with solid abilities.

I just say Horton was Norras gunner.

That's a little odd, though, because we see Horton in the film ("Gray Leader, standing by") and he's clearly in the pilot position. We also know Salm's gunner, Kin Kian.

I'm okay with saying Norra was in the superstructure instead of Salm. Frankly, it made very little sense Salm was there anyways. Lando clearly says "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters follow me!" and then Gray Leader is all like "OKAY, ME TOO!" and abandons his group to enter the superstructure with General Calrissian. This doesn't make much sense, because we know other members of Gray Squadron were still alive though not in the structure with Salm. So I'm fine saying that the Y-Wing in the superstructure was Norra, a member of Gold Group.

What I think is profoundly lazy of new canon, though, is pissing on the call signs already established. In the new canon, Lt L'ulo is said to be Green Two during the battle of Endor, even though other sources had Gemmer Sojan as Green Two. Shara Bey is Green Four, even though other sources had Jake Farrell as Green Four. Why was this necessary? Green Five, Green Seven, Green Eight, and above were entirely open. Why take two of the already claimed call signs?

I just say Horton was Norras gunner.

That's a little odd, though, because we see Horton in the film ("Gray Leader, standing by") and he's clearly in the pilot position. We also know Salm's gunner, Kin Kian.

I'm okay with saying Norra was in the superstructure instead of Salm. Frankly, it made very little sense Salm was there anyways. Lando clearly says "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters follow me!" and then Gray Leader is all like "OKAY, ME TOO!" and abandons his group to enter the superstructure with General Calrissian. This doesn't make much sense, because we know other members of Gray Squadron were still alive though not in the structure with Salm. So I'm fine saying that the Y-Wing in the superstructure was Norra, a member of Gold Group.

What I think is profoundly lazy of new canon, though, is pissing on the call signs already established. In the new canon, Lt L'ulo is said to be Green Two during the battle of Endor, even though other sources had Gemmer Sojan as Green Two. Shara Bey is Green Four, even though other sources had Jake Farrell as Green Four. Why was this necessary? Green Five, Green Seven, Green Eight, and above were entirely open. Why take two of the already claimed call signs?

Gemmar and Jake don't even exist in canon sources do they?

I just say Horton was Norras gunner.

That's a little odd, though, because we see Horton in the film ("Gray Leader, standing by") and he's clearly in the pilot position. We also know Salm's gunner, Kin Kian.

I'm okay with saying Norra was in the superstructure instead of Salm. Frankly, it made very little sense Salm was there anyways. Lando clearly says "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters follow me!" and then Gray Leader is all like "OKAY, ME TOO!" and abandons his group to enter the superstructure with General Calrissian. This doesn't make much sense, because we know other members of Gray Squadron were still alive though not in the structure with Salm. So I'm fine saying that the Y-Wing in the superstructure was Norra, a member of Gold Group.

What I think is profoundly lazy of new canon, though, is pissing on the call signs already established. In the new canon, Lt L'ulo is said to be Green Two during the battle of Endor, even though other sources had Gemmer Sojan as Green Two. Shara Bey is Green Four, even though other sources had Jake Farrell as Green Four. Why was this necessary? Green Five, Green Seven, Green Eight, and above were entirely open. Why take two of the already claimed call signs?

Not just lay but flat out insulting to just rewrite what had come before. When there is room to incorporate both ideas into one set of new official expanded canon.

I just say Horton was Norras gunner.

That's a little odd, though, because we see Horton in the film ("Gray Leader, standing by") and he's clearly in the pilot position. We also know Salm's gunner, Kin Kian.

I'm okay with saying Norra was in the superstructure instead of Salm. Frankly, it made very little sense Salm was there anyways. Lando clearly says "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters follow me!" and then Gray Leader is all like "OKAY, ME TOO!" and abandons his group to enter the superstructure with General Calrissian. This doesn't make much sense, because we know other members of Gray Squadron were still alive though not in the structure with Salm. So I'm fine saying that the Y-Wing in the superstructure was Norra, a member of Gold Group.

What I think is profoundly lazy of new canon, though, is pissing on the call signs already established. In the new canon, Lt L'ulo is said to be Green Two during the battle of Endor, even though other sources had Gemmer Sojan as Green Two. Shara Bey is Green Four, even though other sources had Jake Farrell as Green Four. Why was this necessary? Green Five, Green Seven, Green Eight, and above were entirely open. Why take two of the already claimed call signs?

Gemmar and Jake don't even exist in canon sources do they?

Both exist in the sense that they are in the films. Gemmer is one of the pilots standing around in Echo Base during Leia's briefing and Farrell is the A-Wing pilot in the trench who says "Copy, Gold Leader" and breaks off from formation. So they are true canon, even if their names and call signs aren't explicitly stated anywhere canon. I mean, we know "THAT GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND USED TO BE CALLED JAKE FARRELL" is in the movies, and we know he can't actually be Lt L'ulo beause L'ulo is clearly a Duros and not a human.

Well, the card I was most excited about, "Snap Shot", has just been revealed. Not impressed.

I can see it replacing crack swarm with snap swarm.

I wonder if with pattern analyser and targeting Astro Blue Ace might be quite fun to use, t roll plus boost with target lock seems like it could get him into some fairly interesting positions

Idk if it's been said, but 4-LOM pilot with Snap Shot and Bossk seems fun. Someone rolls up to ya and you pop him. If you miss, you get a focus, TL and a stress to give to the poor lad who was unfortunate enough to land in front of you.

Better hope you've not dialled a red move you've yet to execute yet then...

I just say Horton was Norras gunner.

That's a little odd, though, because we see Horton in the film ("Gray Leader, standing by") and he's clearly in the pilot position. We also know Salm's gunner, Kin Kian.

I'm okay with saying Norra was in the superstructure instead of Salm. Frankly, it made very little sense Salm was there anyways. Lando clearly says "Red Group, Gold Group, all fighters follow me!" and then Gray Leader is all like "OKAY, ME TOO!" and abandons his group to enter the superstructure with General Calrissian. This doesn't make much sense, because we know other members of Gray Squadron were still alive though not in the structure with Salm. So I'm fine saying that the Y-Wing in the superstructure was Norra, a member of Gold Group.

What I think is profoundly lazy of new canon, though, is pissing on the call signs already established. In the new canon, Lt L'ulo is said to be Green Two during the battle of Endor, even though other sources had Gemmer Sojan as Green Two. Shara Bey is Green Four, even though other sources had Jake Farrell as Green Four. Why was this necessary? Green Five, Green Seven, Green Eight, and above were entirely open. Why take two of the already claimed call signs?

Gemmar and Jake don't even exist in canon sources do they?

Both exist in the sense that they are in the films. Gemmer is one of the pilots standing around in Echo Base during Leia's briefing and Farrell is the A-Wing pilot in the trench who says "Copy, Gold Leader" and breaks off from formation. So they are true canon, even if their names and call signs aren't explicitly stated anywhere canon. I mean, we know "THAT GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND USED TO BE CALLED JAKE FARRELL" is in the movies, and we know he can't actually be Lt L'ulo beause L'ulo is clearly a Duros and not a human.

Well if l'ulo is green two and jake was green 4, thats still not an issue . Jake IS clearly male, so cant be shara, but is that pilot in the movie ever actually given a callsign? If not, 'o reason he cant be some other number if shara is now canonically green 4

First night out testing

Rather sadly unimpressedvwith snap and nien, but PA poe (ps 8) is carrying

Competitively youre provably just going to keep on seeing only ps 8 poe as tge meta allows

Do we know is the generic PS3 on te YT1300 has the same stats line of the other pilots this time ?

Do we know is the generic PS3 on te YT1300 has the same stats line of the other pilots this time ?

No we don't. Pretty likely it will though.

Primed thrusters is really good for T-70s! Pattern Analyzer is 2 points... I was hoping for 1 point but maybe it'll still be good enough on some ships. Specifically thinking of the TIE/SF here.

I think Pattern Analyzer is the better card here. If you read the wording, it basically gives you Tycho's ability for 2 points. That's pretty **** awesome if you ask me.

Primed thrusters is really good for T-70s! Pattern Analyzer is 2 points... I was hoping for 1 point but maybe it'll still be good enough on some ships. Specifically thinking of the TIE/SF here.

I think Pattern Analyzer is the better card here. If you read the wording, it basically gives you Tycho's ability for 2 points. That's pretty **** awesome if you ask me.

No it doesn't. You can't perform Actions when stressed. What PA allows you to do is perform an action after a red move... once; until you clear that stress.

(...)

Oh and Colonel Horton Salm will always be the guy that went in the Death Star II in my book. I like Norra, but honestly, where she is also the one to decide to attack the Executor's engines and is the "real reason" it crashed into the Death Star is just too much, more like the author having acrush on hier own character and wanting to attribute things to the character that didnt make sense or werent their accomplishments

Unfotunately nothing new in Star Wars EU. Important characters have a tendency to be everywhere at the same time. Just look how often e.g. R2D2 & 3CPO are originally written in or later retconned in. Even if it totally contradicts other stuff and often is just plain stupid. And at least for me waters down creditibility a lot.

There's a lot of misconceptions with Snap Shot.

1. It is a secondary weapon, even though it's an EPT. It uses your primary firing arc.

2. You can't modify your attack dice, but you CAN modify your opponent's defense dice. Feel free to use Crack Shot (on A-Wings), scum crew, etc.

3. Yes, you aren't going to hit Soontir with one Snap Shot. That's why you run 5.

Snap Shot is a good card.

Return of the Jukebox A-Wings!

5 Green Squadrons with Crack Shot & Snap Shot.....that's a hell of a lot of range 1 arcs to try and dodge.....

No-one seems to have pointed the double tap potential (with Snap Shot) against a ship suffering a movement penalty from Ion...

... is that not a thing?

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I think they made a grave mistake with the ruling about "the ship causing the mod is the 'you'".

It broke the hard and fast interpretation of who's 'you' established in the main ruleset.

The interaction between Snap Shot and M9-G8 should be clear as read (no mod), but the precedent from another convoluted interaction has introduced ambiguity.

Ibtisam (28)
Snap Shot (2)
Collision Detector (0)
Ion Cannon (3)

Keyan Farlander (29)
Snap Shot (2)
Collision Detector (0)
Ion Cannon (3)

Nera Dantels (26)
Snap Shot (2)
Collision Detector (0)
Ion Cannon (3)
Intelligence Agent (1)
B-Wing/E2 (1)

Total: 100

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or

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Snap Shot (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Snap Shot (2)

Tansarii Point Veteran (17)
Snap Shot (2)

Moralo Eval (34)
Ion Cannon (3)
Intelligence Agent (1)
Zuckuss (1)
Dengar (3)

Total: 99

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No-one seems to have pointed the double tap potential (with Snap Shot) against a ship suffering a movement penalty from Ion...

... is that not a thing?

- - -

I think they made a grave mistake with the ruling about "the ship causing the mod is the 'you'".

It broke the hard and fast interpretation of who's 'you' established in the main ruleset.

The interaction between Snap Shot and M9-G8 should be clear as read (no mod), but the precedent from another convoluted interaction has introduced ambiguity.

Why is the double tap potential with ions any better than any other case? Just because you know where they're going?

Pretty much. I'm not convinced it's an interaction worth building a list around, though.

If you can pair it up with stress, it'd be nasty, though.

Major Rhymer with Snap Shot, TIE Shuttle and Tactician could be rather tasty.

I mean, if there were a ship that could ionise with any attack...

But there's not, thank goodness.

Maybe if there was a ship that could already get two shots off, one of them with an Ion Cannon...

But that would be crazy. Three shots a round?

(I love you Defenders)

Maybe if there was a ship that could already get two shots off, one of them with an Ion Cannon...

But that would be crazy. Three shots a round?

(I love you Defenders)

But... the Snap Shot makes no difference in this case to the ability to use the ion cannon? If you get snap shot you also get to double tap, but snap shot doesn't inherently make the double tap any more or less likely - and in the case of most /Ds, the opportunity cost is bigger because you're losing the benefit of your EPT on two shots, not just one. Instead of Snap Shot you could have had a reroll on both shots with Predator...