Scum Huge Ship Ideas?

By Kyle Ren, in X-Wing

We know that eventually, Scum and Villainy will need a huge ship. Will it be the much rumored SWX58 set? Probably not. We don't know exactly when, but sometime in the next year or so, Scum will have a huge ship - the only question is what it will be!

My guess is that it will be Jabba's Space Barge (see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Jewel ) or some variant of it. The recent Marvel Star Wars comics have (I believe in issue 1: Skywalker Strikes) A new version that looks just like Jabba's Sail barge but with engines and no sails.

What crew members would it come with, though? Jabba, Gamorran Guards, Bib Fortuna, Max Rebo, Oola, who else?

And what small ship would it come with? Maybe a new Scyk Interceptor? With new cannon cards?

What if, like Most Wanted, it came with dials and cards for other huge ships to be converted to scum?

In official canon, CR90s were only used by rebels and sometimes Empire. However, in the Legends Universe, some were used by the Hutt Cartel (which already shows up in this game):

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR90_corvette/Legends

Gozanti Cruisers have been used by Black Sun:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gozanti-class_cruiser

Marinealver has made a conversion pack for the GR-75 already:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/176904-stop-gap-measure-for-sv-epic-ships-house-rules-for-sv-gr-75-transport/

Well, to get the conversation started, I had a few ideas for cannons for the Scyk:

Armor piercing laser:

Attack (5 dice, range 1-3):

If this attack hits, the defender suffers one critical damage. Then cancel all dice results.

Cost 6

Antimatter cannon:

Attack (3 dice, range 1-3):

After all dice modifications are made, cancell all (hit) and (critical hit) results. Then change all remaining die results to (hit) results.

Cost 4

Long-range cannon:

Attack (3 dice, range 1-5):

The defender rolls one additional dice against this attack.

Cost 3

Twin laser cannon:

Attack (3 dice, range 2-3):

Perform this attack twice. Each time this attack hits, the defender suffers one critical damage. Then cancel all dice results.

Cost 5

I would like to see the Action VI Transport used by Talon Karrde and gang. Now that the EU seems to be less likely, so does this ship.

And I had some ideas for crew members, too:

Jabba the Hutt (takes two slots)

Action: Assign the "bounty" condition to an enemy ship.

Cost 4

Bib Fortuna

When you are declared as the target of an attack, you may recieve one stress token to force the attacker to attack another ship inside its firing arc at range 1-3.

Cost 3

Max Rebo

Whenever you would remove an ion token from your ship, you may remove one stress token instead.

Cost 1

Oola

Whenever you go through an activation phase without performing actions, you may discard this card to remove one stress token.

Cost 1

And to go with Jabba you'd have

Bounty (condition)

All ships with the "bounty hunter" elite pilot talent roll two additional dice when attacking or defending against you.

Bounty hunter (EPT)

When attacking or defending, you may reroll one dice.

Cost 4

My official Scum Epic guess:

Minstrel-class Cruiser

with Jabba crew, Rancor Poodoo Obstacle Tokens and docking rules- not just deployment rules, for z-95's and Scyks

Kom'rk Fighter Transport

with a wicked Maul crew

GR-75, Re-purposed

Probably not a new model but the cardboard/gear will come with another Epic expansion.

The 3 ships i would want to see.

1. Personal luxury yacht 3000- Makes a lot of sense. Hondo flew the fortune and glory and Lando flew the lady luck.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_Luxury_Yacht_3000

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_and_Glory/Legends

2. Wild Karrde (Likely wont happen unless Talon Karrde make cannon)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wild_Karrde

3. Minstrel Class Cruiser-Because Jabba

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minstrel-class_space_yacht

It is likely will be Jabba's ship as Jabba is the Palpatine Mon Martha of the Scum faction. Will it be the first huge ship who knows.

But in the meantime while we wait for FFG. SHAMELESS PLUG . ;)

Edited by Marinealver

The Star Jewel is definitely one ship that I'd want to see as a Scum and Villainy epic. Another ship that could be considered as an epic Scum and Villainy ship is the Blood Brother .

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Brother

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The Blood Brother was a heavily modified Consular III -class cruiser and the main command vessel of the pirate Captain Reddjack and his gang the Red Fury Brotherhood. The gang operated prior to the Battle of Yavin and were based around the Cularin system asteroid belt. They made their first appearance in the Marvel/Star Droids comics and later the role-playing supplement Echoes of the Jedi .

The ship's length has never been mentioned in any source material, neither has the length of the Consular III -class cruiser. However, if we were to assume that its length was almost similar to its predecessor model, the Consular -class cruiser, which is 115 meters in length, then we could assume it may be the same.

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The 3 ships i would want to see.

1. Personal luxury yacht 3000- Makes a lot of sense. Hondo flew the fortune and glory and Lando flew the lady luck.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_Luxury_Yacht_3000

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_and_Glory/Legends

2. Wild Karrde (Likely wont happen unless Talon Karrde make cannon)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wild_Karrde

3. Minstrel Class Cruiser-Because Jabba

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minstrel-class_space_yacht

Will be a bit disappointed if it's the 3000, just because of its size...I'm in the middle of painting Mel's version, and being so slim compared to the likes of the Ghost & Falcon, it doesn't have much Epic 'presence' on the table despite being only a little longer than those ships...I think it would be fine as another large ship, but does scum need another ?

If it comes, then I think plenty of illicit and system upgrades [ie cards, not just slots] would make sense, as it's not really a combat vessel - it's about time the game had a proper ECM platform to negate all those focus/TL shenanigans ;)

Edited by ianmiddy

A good candidate for a huge scum ship would be the Wayfarer transport. It's Legends, or old EU, or whatever now, but it would only take a filler episode of Rebels to bring it back into cannon.

According to the wookiepedia article it had a hanger module that many also used for general cargo. It's listed as 82 meters long, so it's about the same size as the GR-75. Since it has a hanger attachment it can ferry scum small ships to the fight. This would give Scum a carrier, which is really the only reason for pirates and mercenaries to have a large ship. An escort variation with a missile and gun module could be included for epic only scenarios.

MacrossVF1 has built several scratch-builds, and they look great. The ship fits the Star Wars aesthetic much better than Jabba's yacht in my opinion.

And I had some ideas for crew members, too:

Jabba the Hutt (takes two slots)

Action: Assign the "bounty" condition to an enemy ship.

Cost 4

Bib Fortuna

When you are declared as the target of an attack, you may recieve one stress token to force the attacker to attack another ship inside its firing arc at range 1-3.

Cost 3

Max Rebo

Whenever you would remove an ion token from your ship, you may remove one stress token instead.

Cost 1

Oola

Whenever you go through an activation phase without performing actions, you may discard this card to remove one stress token.

Cost 1

Good ideas, however I don't really understand Max Rebo's ability

I'm all for compromise. Make the Jabba yacht the approximate size as the Gozanti, docking clamps with scyk and Z95 capabilities. And the Crusader-class in Zahn Consortium colors and StarViper escorts and pilot cards in skill 1-5 ranges, with Tyber Zahn, and his lieutenants in 5-8 range. Give the crusader a fire arc similar to the Raider, and let's spread the forces of corruption!

The 3 ships i would want to see.

1. Personal luxury yacht 3000- Makes a lot of sense. Hondo flew the fortune and glory and Lando flew the lady luck.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_Luxury_Yacht_3000

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_and_Glory/Legends

2. Wild Karrde (Likely wont happen unless Talon Karrde make cannon)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wild_Karrde

3. Minstrel Class Cruiser-Because Jabba

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minstrel-class_space_yacht

Will be a bit disappointed if it's the 3000, just because of its size...I'm in the middle of painting Mel's version, and being so slim compared to the likes of the Ghost & Falcon, it doesn't have much Epic 'presence' on the table despite being only a little longer than those ships...I think it would be fine as another large ship, but does scum need another ?

If it comes, then I think plenty of illicit and system upgrades [ie cards, not just slots] would make sense, as it's not really a combat vessel - it's about time the game had a proper ECM platform to negate all those focus/TL shenanigans ;)

I'd like to see lando's Lady Luck, and Talon Karrde's Wild Karrde, but don't forget Booster terrik and hios casin Star destroyer, Errant Venture

People keep suggesting Jabba the Hutt cards that use up two crew slots. I hate that.

Obviously he's a big dude, but do we really want that little bit of flavor sprinkled in at the expense of ONLY being able to field Jabba in a YV-666s for standard games? I'm cool with Jabba being quite a bit less powerful than Emperor (obviously, because pretty much everything should be), taking up one crew slot, and costing about 5 points with a very solid, scummy ability.

If you want to represent that Jabba wouldn't cruise around in a HWK or G1-A, maybe put the "Large Ship Only" text on that fella.

Jabba taking up two crew slots sounds flavorful, but also terrible for actual game play.

Or it would be an incentive for more Scum with double crew slots.

Wait, this is probably a terrible idea.

Lady Luck (Luxury 3000) should be a large ship. Someone's personal ship that can be run with a almost now crew and take anywhere makes little sense as an epic ship.

When it comes to Scum Epic my vote has always been for the Action Transport which produces the Wild Karrde and could also be used for other versions.

I'm all for the Action VI.

And before someone says "eww, but it's not canon!"

One Action VI Transport appeared in Ep II.

This would be the chance to get a few more EU characters as crew :D

There's another Hutt freighter which would work as an epic Scum ship. It doesn't have any specific model class name but it's just referred to as Borvo the Hutt's freighter.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Borvo_the_Hutt's_freighter

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In Legends, the ship was operated by the Hutt Borvo and his organization, the Nal Raka Criminal Empire, during the time of the Trade Federation's occupation of Naboo. The ship was first seen in the game Star Wars: Episode I: Battle for Naboo.

The ship appeared to have two laser cannons mounted on either of its sides and one underneath. The front half of the ship could also detach when damaged or in need of a fast escape.

Edited by Vector

That Borvo ship would be easy to retcon as a modified action transport of some variety. the "bones" look pretty similar.

That Borvo ship would be easy to retcon as a modified action transport of some variety. the "bones" look pretty similar.

Yes, that could absolutely work. Based on what's already been established in the Action series, it could be an Action I or III which neither have yet appeared.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Action_series

Perhaps maybe it could be an Action II or a modified one, if the current description for it may seem close enough to how Borvo's ship appears.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Action_II_transport

Edited by Vector

I'm all for the Action VI.

And before someone says "eww, but it's not canon!"

One Action VI Transport appeared in Ep II.

This would be the chance to get a few more EU characters as crew :D

No one says that

They say "ewww it looks like a dustbuster!"

I'm all for the Action VI.

And before someone says "eww, but it's not canon!"

One Action VI Transport appeared in Ep II.

This would be the chance to get a few more EU characters as crew :D

No one says that

They say "ewww it looks like a dustbuster!"

And is this a problen?

Many ships have forms, reminding of something else.

Edited by RogueLeader42

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Broken_Horn This is my guess. It is in Rebels, we see the inside and outside, it is a Gozanti Class cruiser so there are a couple specific upgrades that could be shared, and you can package it with two models of ships that would like some love; syke, kihraxz, starviper (I think it would come with sykes). This seems to fit how the last two epic releases have gone. I don't have an opinion yet for what they will do for the scum "biggest" ship, but as I said there are options for a small base to package with it.

I think if I'm understanding you right, you're saying that they could do another Most Wanted set that comes with Gozanti cards? That would be really cool... Maybe it could come with YT-1300 cards too? That would give another way to fly a double crew Jabba card...

Edited by Kieransi