Since they make a point to say that Ezra was born on the day the Empire took power, and apparently from the way Revenge of the Sith played out at the end, doesn't that mean that he's exactly the same age as Luke and Leia? I mean they kept cutting between Padme giving birth, and the Emperor taking power, so I would assume we are supposed to think those scenes are happening simultaneously.

But don't they try to imply in that one episode of Rebels that Leia is older than him? Or was that just an impression I got from how she carried herself compared to him?

I think the showrunners commented on this once. Ezra is actually a few days older than Luke and Leia, since the cuts with the Emperor taking power happen with Padme there, and the cuts with the Empire rising are interspersed with the twins finding homes. The only intercut scene with the birth of the children is the "birth" of Vader.

Leia's portrayal in the show implies she's more mature than Ezra, but they're only a few days apart by birth.

Leia had more responsibility

Yeah, age-wise Ezra is at least a few days older.

Leia's always been presented as exceptionally mature for her age, due in no small part to her being a Senator's daughter as well as being groomed for a position in the Senate herself. Compare her to Luke in ANH, where he's literally a kid fresh off the farm, but she's able to take control of a botched rescue plan and make it work well enough to escape. Han was a self-centered braggart that probably wasn't nearly as clever as he thought he was.

Then contrast her to Ezra, who spent several years prior to show's beginning living entirely on his own with the sole responsibility of looking out for himself, and probably not having any real mentor-type figures leading him to also have a rather childish attitude; maybe not to the point where he sees the whole thing as a game, but in the first season Ezra doesn't seem to take matters all that seriously. It does appear that particular trait is long gone by the time season three starts, likely due to what he's had to go through in the course of season two.

Leia had more responsibility

And sex appeal

And sex appeal

...and you find this relevant why?

It's called a joke iron

Randomly dragging sex into unrelated conversations is irritating, not funny.

(And is it really that hard to get my username right? It's right there. I'm an atom with a charge, not a piece of metal, but everyone still calls me "iron." )

It was a observation of Leia. Everyone equates Leia with the slave outfit and in the show they didn't attempt to make her regal as a "princess" of alderan. Like new hope. I found it interesting that Ezra looks much like a kid and they gave Leia tight pants and heel boots

It was a observation of Leia. Everyone equates Leia with the slave outfit and in the show they didn't attempt to make her regal as a "princess" of alderan. Like new hope. I found it interesting that Ezra looks much like a kid and they gave Leia tight pants and heel boots

Sorry to burst your bubble, but not "everyone" equates Leia to that one outfit. Mass media might, but given their love affair with the walking dumpster fire that is the Republican Presidential nominee, the integrity of such can very much be called into doubt.

There are plenty of folks for whom her white gown in ANH is far more iconic and far more memorable than the get-up she wore for less than a quarter of RotJ. Or even her Endor commando outfit which she wore for about half of the same film.

I am referring that they had a chance to give her that respect and they decided not to. Eve with the dialog. They didn't make Herra the typical twilek eye candy but they chose to not give Leia the same respect.

Also no need to bring politics into this discussion there's enough wrong with both of those parties that it ac derail any discussion.

This topic went from being amusing to dangerously close to a thread lock.

So to turn this around, what do you think the chances are of them bringing Leia back into the fold.

I have a feeling we're going to see more of the main cast before the series ends.

Considering we saw Chewie in "Clone Wars" and the Han Solo anthology film is in the works, I would be very surprised if we don't see that pair at some point. They can even bring in what's-his-face for voice work.

I doubt we would see Han in Rebels, I also doubt that we will see obi-wan certainly not unless Maul seeks him out on Tatooine. It is too close to the events of the first film, and he makes it clear he has been out of it a while, so being a part of the Rebellion is not his thing. Leia makes it clear that "Years ago you helpd my father in the clone wars" and he says he hasnt been called obi-wan since before luke was born. Both these dont make sense if he is involved with the Rebellion during the Rebels years nor does it make sense if someone turns up and calls him anything but Ben.

I'd be fine if we never saw Leia again in Rebels.

One of my concerns when Fulcrum was revealed to be Ahsoka and that they were bringing back Captain Rex was that such actions ran the risk of derailing the show into being TCW: The Sequel Series and taking focus away from Rebels' own cast of heroes, especially as Sabine and Hera really didn't get a lot of development in the first season.

Leia worked as a one-time appearance, both to lend aid to the fledgling Rebellion but also to help kickstart Ezra out of his emotional funk from learning his parents were indeed dead after getting his hopes up for the first time in years that they might be alive. But she's got her own story, especially now that the timeline of Rebels is getting very close to ANH, where she's going to be quite busy operating as a member of the Imperial Senate and using that as a cover for the "mercy missions" that aid the still-growing Rebel Alliance.

Much as I know some folks are clamoring for a Maul vs. Obi-Wan rematch in Rebels, I really hope it doesn't happen and that the show stays a long ways away from Tatooine. We've already had that rematch in TCW, and personally I think it would be far more satisfying if either Kanan or Ezra were the ones to end Maul's threat for good.

I really hope it doesn't happen and that the show stays a long ways away from Tatooine. We've already had that rematch in TCW, and personally I think it would be far more satisfying if either Kanan or Ezra were the ones to end Maul's threat for good.

I really, really would not mind if the shows get onto Ryloth again, but I know what you mean and agree on that, though or Maul? I really love that character, based on TCW, and I really would like him and not Palpatine to survive the galactic civil war. I don't see a point in killing him off either, no matter if he fails to get Ezra as his apprentice or not, he for sure had very little chance not motivation to get involved in the original trilogy anyway. Palpatine is a no go for Maul to engage, the battles of Vader are not the central for the OT and trying to convert Luke sounds not like a good plan, not when he has Ezra has his apprentice and not if Ezra showed him how risky this would be when all the rebel friends protect his target.

So even with Maul still around he would be mostly powerless until after the fall of the emperor. It not really a big issue and personally I would like him as one of the founding influences of the knights of Ren.

I think DarthGM made an excellent point on the Order 66 podcast a while ago about bringing Obi-Wan into Rebels. Before the show is over, we're likely to see Ezra reject Maul's influence. This leads to a duel where Kanan and Ezra drive the old Sith away. Maul finds himself drawn to Tatooine with visions of a young, very powerful Force sensitive whom he could bend to his will. He gets close to the homestead, Obi-Wan steps out to fight him, and bests him in a lightsaber duel. That way, whether you've watched all of the animated entries or just stuck to the films, the phrase "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" is canonical.

Now there are a few rough edges in that theory to work out, but I think it's got merit. It also has the kind of flavor I can see to any OT cameos, which is essentially getting the pieces in place for A New Hope and clearing the problematic ones off the board. So I could see Leia coming back right around her induction into the senate, and maybe the Ghost crew being responsible for her safety from one threat or another. (Maybe Maul again?)

Han and Chewie aren't likely cameos in my mind, though. They don't need to be put in place, and them not being rebels doesn't fit with the show's theme.

I think DarthGM made an excellent point on the Order 66 podcast a while ago about bringing Obi-Wan into Rebels. Before the show is over, we're likely to see Ezra reject Maul's influence. This leads to a duel where Kanan and Ezra drive the old Sith away. Maul finds himself drawn to Tatooine with visions of a young, very powerful Force sensitive whom he could bend to his will. He gets close to the homestead, Obi-Wan steps out to fight him, and bests him in a lightsaber duel. That way, whether you've watched all of the animated entries or just stuck to the films, the phrase "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" is canonical.

Now there are a few rough edges in that theory to work out, but I think it's got merit. It also has the kind of flavor I can see to any OT cameos, which is essentially getting the pieces in place for A New Hope and clearing the problematic ones off the board. So I could see Leia coming back right around her induction into the senate, and maybe the Ghost crew being responsible for her safety from one threat or another. (Maybe Maul again?)

Han and Chewie aren't likely cameos in my mind, though. They don't need to be put in place, and them not being rebels doesn't fit with the show's theme.

I don't know if they should include Obi-Wan to the Rebels. I think they should focus on side characters like Maul and Thrawn. I just don't want the heroes to be overshadowed by some impressive main characters.

Maul being there is interesting and I want to see where it goes and how things get resolved.

I think DarthGM made an excellent point on the Order 66 podcast a while ago about bringing Obi-Wan into Rebels. Before the show is over, we're likely to see Ezra reject Maul's influence. This leads to a duel where Kanan and Ezra drive the old Sith away. Maul finds himself drawn to Tatooine with visions of a young, very powerful Force sensitive whom he could bend to his will. He gets close to the homestead, Obi-Wan steps out to fight him, and bests him in a lightsaber duel. That way, whether you've watched all of the animated entries or just stuck to the films, the phrase "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" is canonical.

Now there are a few rough edges in that theory to work out, but I think it's got merit. It also has the kind of flavor I can see to any OT cameos, which is essentially getting the pieces in place for A New Hope and clearing the problematic ones off the board. So I could see Leia coming back right around her induction into the senate, and maybe the Ghost crew being responsible for her safety from one threat or another. (Maybe Maul again?)

Han and Chewie aren't likely cameos in my mind, though. They don't need to be put in place, and them not being rebels doesn't fit with the show's theme.

Yes but this then leads to the problem of obi-wan lying yet again when he says that he hasnt gone by the name of obi-wan since before luke was born , when maul had shown up 2 years previous calling him obi-wan. Yes , I know they can get round it with symantics, but it would cheapen that statement and obi-wan loses even more credibility for everything he tells luke.

I think DarthGM made an excellent point on the Order 66 podcast a while ago about bringing Obi-Wan into Rebels. Before the show is over, we're likely to see Ezra reject Maul's influence. This leads to a duel where Kanan and Ezra drive the old Sith away. Maul finds himself drawn to Tatooine with visions of a young, very powerful Force sensitive whom he could bend to his will. He gets close to the homestead, Obi-Wan steps out to fight him, and bests him in a lightsaber duel. That way, whether you've watched all of the animated entries or just stuck to the films, the phrase "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" is canonical.

Now there are a few rough edges in that theory to work out, but I think it's got merit. It also has the kind of flavor I can see to any OT cameos, which is essentially getting the pieces in place for A New Hope and clearing the problematic ones off the board. So I could see Leia coming back right around her induction into the senate, and maybe the Ghost crew being responsible for her safety from one threat or another. (Maybe Maul again?)

Han and Chewie aren't likely cameos in my mind, though. They don't need to be put in place, and them not being rebels doesn't fit with the show's theme.

Yes but this then leads to the problem of obi-wan lying yet again when he says that he hasnt gone by the name of obi-wan since before luke was born , when maul had shown up 2 years previous calling him obi-wan. Yes , I know they can get round it with symantics, but it would cheapen that statement and obi-wan loses even more credibility for everything he tells luke.

Well... then again Obi-Wan is a quite the liar already. Or as he likes to say: "from certain point of view".

I think what we are all waiting and wanting to happen with great anticipation is a Darth Jar Jar appearance.

...does it count as Godwin if it's a GIF? o_o

I'm not really sure what to say.

I think DarthGM made an excellent point on the Order 66 podcast a while ago about bringing Obi-Wan into Rebels. Before the show is over, we're likely to see Ezra reject Maul's influence. This leads to a duel where Kanan and Ezra drive the old Sith away. Maul finds himself drawn to Tatooine with visions of a young, very powerful Force sensitive whom he could bend to his will. He gets close to the homestead, Obi-Wan steps out to fight him, and bests him in a lightsaber duel. That way, whether you've watched all of the animated entries or just stuck to the films, the phrase "Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul" is canonical.

Now there are a few rough edges in that theory to work out, but I think it's got merit. It also has the kind of flavor I can see to any OT cameos, which is essentially getting the pieces in place for A New Hope and clearing the problematic ones off the board. So I could see Leia coming back right around her induction into the senate, and maybe the Ghost crew being responsible for her safety from one threat or another. (Maybe Maul again?)

Han and Chewie aren't likely cameos in my mind, though. They don't need to be put in place, and them not being rebels doesn't fit with the show's theme.

Yes but this then leads to the problem of obi-wan lying yet again when he says that he hasnt gone by the name of obi-wan since before luke was born , when maul had shown up 2 years previous calling him obi-wan. Yes , I know they can get round it with symantics, but it would cheapen that statement and obi-wan loses even more credibility for everything he tells luke.

There's no reason for Maul to call Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Obi-Wan." That would be more of a Ventress thing (peace be upon her).

More likely that Maul would hiss, "Kenobi," before launching into some barb about killing Satine and how powerless Obi-Wan was to stop him and how he will be powerless to stop him from taking Luke and turning him to the Dark Side and how he might even leave Obi-Wan the way Obi-Wan left him: Alive, but with sanity shattered.

And at some point, Maul gets butt-hurt by Obi-Wan's unwillingness to take the bait, launches into an attack and Obi-Wan insta-gibs Maul. Or maybe Qui-Gonn's Force ghost manages to get Maul to pretty much kill himself by launching himself off of a cliff and into some lava or something (in a sort of nod to the pre-Revenge of the Sith EU where Anakin's need for Vader's armor arose from Obi-Wan trouncing him on Tatooine - in any case, Maul is most certainly dead) - or maybe Qui-Gonn's Force ghost makes Maul realize that he's pretty much failed at everything he's ever done and he takes his own life in despair (although that would be pretty dark for a kid's show).

In any event, there's no reason for Maul to use the name, "Obi-Wan."

And if Obi-Wan is spending his spare time communing with Qui-Gonn and/or Yoda, meditating on the deeper mysteries of the Force, he's pretty definitely going to have been hearing the name, "Obi-Wan," on a much more regular basis. Although, per the, "certain point of view," one could argue that one doesn't really hear one's name when the name is, "spoken," by a dead guy and/or a guy half-way across the galaxy during meditation.

As I said its quite possible for them to introduce obi-wan into the story, Im more concerned with whether the should. Time will tell, personally Id prefer if they keep the original cast out of Rebels, while Leia had a reason to be involved somehow, even her appearance seemed shoe-horned into the series, as for Lando, that was even more so,

Lando's appearance in Rebels may have been in part to make up for Billy Dee Williams not getting so much as a cameo in The Force Awakens. So I can forgive it.

I also got a kick out of Leia showing up in Season Two.

That being said, I feel like a final Obi-Wan vs. Maul match-up would have to be in some form of epilogue. I can't really think of anyway to get the hermit Jedi of Tatooine to leave his chosen task to deal with Maul and I don't think that there's any reason to make an entire episode in which one of the series's big bads meets his end at the hands of Obi-Wan, single-handedly.

Unless...

The Ghost somehow gets roped into something with Jabba. Maul shows up, beats up Kanan, tempts Ezra, and then along comes a hermit with a lasersword and an old score to settle.

"Master Kenobi, is that you?"
"Please," he smiled. "Call me Ben."