Time will tell, but I don't think it's a coincidence that both finalist of the Armada Vassal tournament included Yavaris in their rebel squadron heavy list.

But this Armada Vassal Finalist is altering his list on the basis of how the games played out.

That's interesting to know that you are dropping Yavaris. My personnal experience with Yavaris since wave 3-4 has only been positive, in a not-funny-for-my-opponents kind of way.

Time will tell, but I don't think it's a coincidence that both finalist of the Armada Vassal tournament included Yavaris in their rebel squadron heavy list.

But this Armada Vassal Finalist is altering his list on the basis of how the games played out.

That's interesting to know that you are dropping Yavaris. My personnal experience with Yavaris since wave 3-4 has only been positive, in a not-funny-for-my-opponents kind of way.

Powerful to be sure.

But the MC80 Command has become so much more powerful, and is **** hard to kill to boot.

I can see uses of Yav, but not for generic fighters. Only for boosting Luke, Keyan and Wedge otherwise just get the more robust carriers - MC80, Flotillas and Assault Frigates

I mean, don't get my wrong, I love me some Yavaris...

I do not disagree that there is a serious improvement there. But I stand by the fact that its not good enough and easy enough in comparison to compare to the Popularity of Demolisher and/or Rhymer.

As I've said, they're essentially point-and-click upgrades. You make your enemy adapt to it, and it requires less thought on your part than the baseline.

With Yavaris, it is the opposite. It is more powerful, but it takes more work and more coordination to pull off and fulfill its destiny.\

There are quite a few awesome proponents of it - but it is certainly not the be-all-and-end all, and you need to be very aware ofthe limitations of the Yavaris frame - and the Yavaris frame limitation is the Nebulon B.

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And of course, when you're talking to Gink in Vassal while he's winning, and even he's skept about how great Yav is, you listen

This thread has inspired me to do a 6 Neb with Engine Tech's raming fleet!

With General Cracken! Because my battering ram ships are gonna be cracken your ships open!