Why worry about that? I can't wait for all three lines to be complete so we can get "Big Book of Starships" "Big Book of Equipment" "Big Book of Aliens and Critters" etc. I'm tired of having to look through 50 books to find what i'm looking for.

Sounds like you could use an index !

Index's are useful, more so since I'm pretty sure they won't be doing big book of's.

A guy can dream though. I think almost every "book buyer" would buy one just by putting a few new items into each one. The fact that everything would be in the same place plus new content would be a fantastic deal for me.

I think there would be a lot of complaints about having to rebuy material they already own just to get access to a handful of new stuff.

Why worry about that? I can't wait for all three lines to be complete so we can get "Big Book of Starships" "Big Book of Equipment" "Big Book of Aliens and Critters" etc. I'm tired of having to look through 50 books to find what i'm looking for.

Sounds like you could use an index !

Index's are useful, more so since I'm pretty sure they won't be doing big book of's.

A guy can dream though. I think almost every "book buyer" would buy one just by putting a few new items into each one. The fact that everything would be in the same place plus new content would be a fantastic deal for me.

I think there would be a lot of complaints about having to rebuy material they already own just to get access to a handful of new stuff.

And all of those people would still buy it, and all of those people would still use it the most of all their books.

Besides, right now there is only a few guns a few races a few talent a few ships a few droids a few .... per book right now anyway

And all of those people would still buy it, and all of those people would still use it the most of all their books.

Besides, right now there is only a few guns a few races a few talent a few ships a few droids a few .... per book right now anyway

I wouldn't say all those people.

And you are mistaken on .... "it's only a few". No that is not the case. Just look at species, and not including the ones in upcoming announced products, we have roughly 70 of them (if you don't break down some species by bloodlines such as the Nikto and one other that escapes my mind). 70+ species is not just a few. The books themselves are roughly 96 pages and we'll easily cross 96 species before such a "big book of species" is actually released. That's not counting any new species that they would add. So unless they are going to drop another 96 species such a book would be 80-98% old material. That's just species. Bear in mind species were being added 3 per book. Guns and ships were being added around 5 to 10 new ones per book. Let's not start counting up equipment, ships, guns, talents, etc etc. If this were a single line, yeah a big book of wouldn't be repeat info. But because it's 3 separate lines such a book would mostly be rehash of everything else.

So yeah, maybe there is only a handful in each individual book, but we've clearly crossed the point where it is just a few. We have a massive collection of stuff now and any such "big of" book that collects it would mostly be just one big book of everything we already own.

And all of those people would still buy it, and all of those people would still use it the most of all their books.

Besides, right now there is only a few guns a few races a few talent a few ships a few droids a few .... per book right now anyway

I wouldn't say all those people.

And you are mistaken on .... "it's only a few". No that is not the case. Just look at species, and not including the ones in upcoming announced products, we have roughly 70 of them (if you don't break down some species by bloodlines such as the Nikto and one other that escapes my mind). 70+ species is not just a few. The books themselves are roughly 96 pages and we'll easily cross 96 species before such a "big book of species" is actually released. That's not counting any new species that they would add. So unless they are going to drop another 96 species such a book would be 80-98% old material. That's just species. Bear in mind species were being added 3 per book. Guns and ships were being added around 5 to 10 new ones per book. Let's not start counting up equipment, ships, guns, talents, etc etc. If this were a single line, yeah a big book of wouldn't be repeat info. But because it's 3 separate lines such a book would mostly be rehash of everything else.

So yeah, maybe there is only a handful in each individual book, but we've clearly crossed the point where it is just a few. We have a massive collection of stuff now and any such "big of" book that collects it would mostly be just one big book of everything we already own.

And by splitting it up and not doing the big books of they have actually been able to give us more. Big books of dont tend to sell as well. A person interests in guns but not ships wont buy the big book of ships. But will buy a book with ships and species and guns... Things that sell well keep the line healthy.

We'll sling criticism and hopes equally during the pre-release announcements and after we hold the book in our hands. Such is capitalism/commercialism.

I will acknowledge how FFG has produced more content for the SWRPG than we get from Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder, and World of Darkness rpgs in their prime.

For the EotE line alone, we'll have an introductory boxed set with dice, a large and beautiful CRB, 6 career books, two sector books, and adventure books.

...and the product line isn't yet finished!

I would like for more developers and FFG staff to say 'hi' on these boards, even if they don't agree with us or decline to comment on probing secret information.

I'd like to see more free content, too, as downloads. If they've released FOUR free downloads, why not peak our interest between book releases with a free species download. Want Jawa? Here you go...they won't imbalance the game with their inclusion, and their species won't be too hard to intuit in either product line (Jawa Jedi?!?). A one page planetary detail might be nice, too, following the same guideline. Are we really, really going to expect FFG to hit every.single.one of our beloved species or planets by the time Product Code 66 is released as the final, expected book? Throw us a bone, FFG, but not any more X-Wing Miniatures bones, m'kay?

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I do like that they specifically called out three ships that are availiable in the x-wing miniatures. Perhaps there will be an official rpg rules expansion that uses the miniatures for the ship combat - specifically how to interpret a players talents to x-wing mechanics, or vice versa. There have been a number of people attempting to combine the two, and several x-wing articles that talk about the very thing.

Yeah, I hope they don't waste book space on that. I don't think they are going to do a full-on redesign of combat just to fit in mini's play.

I agree with this ... I hope they don't waste space in one of the RPG books on trying to integrate X-Wing. At most, maybe they could post free pdf downloads of rules and such into the player resources sections of the support pages.

However, I do own and play X-Wing, but do use the ships, which can be very cool and helpful when used to narrate the RPG as the PC's describe their actions. I use them in the same way I draw maps and use all the chits from the beginner games.

While an official integration is something I would like to see, as the RPG rules are, frankly, sub-par with the system as is*, a stand alone book that is not geared to ANY one game line, such as with the adversary decks, would be a great purchase for me. Tacking on and into the rules of a dedicated rpg product means they would likely take up better used space, as well as being an afterthought and not as detailed as they should be.

Many have said that a miniatures to RPG bridge product would not be for them. Perhaps they have said that they would already have them, or it is not for them. Fine. But what of any NEW players who are just entering the hobby? If you frequent the x-wing forums, look up Heroes of the Aturi Cluster - a cooperative x-wing game where the players upgrade their pilots. It is almost rpg- lite.

A campaign set that has RPG conversions to an x-wing campaign would be gold.

Everyone:

On a more productive sidenote, I'd guess the specialisations could include someone who specialises in the "no desintegrations" part.

Operator sounds like system strain and ion weapons for spaceships.

Aaaaaand maybe a sneaky melee specialisation? We could use one more of those in EOTE

Aaaaaand maybe a sneaky melee specialisation? We could use one more of those in EOTE

Well, we do have the Assassin spec from the core rulebook, with three ranks of Stalker plus Melee and Stealth as bonus career skills. That largely covers "sneaky melee" pretty well, while also being able to pull double-duty as a ranged combatant to boot.

I think there would be a lot of complaints about having to rebuy material they already own just to get access to a handful of new stuff.

Yeah, if FFG does a Best of Guns or Best of Ships, the content needs to be all reprints. I would gladly buy that book, but I could see how having to buy it just for one or two new gizmos would piss me off, were I not so inclined to buy.

Why worry about that? I can't wait for all three lines to be complete so we can get "Big Book of Starships" "Big Book of Equipment" "Big Book of Aliens and Critters" etc. I'm tired of having to look through 50 books to find what i'm looking for.

Sounds like you could use an index !

Does anyone know how up to date the Index is with current product? Which was the last book to be included?

Why worry about that? I can't wait for all three lines to be complete so we can get "Big Book of Starships" "Big Book of Equipment" "Big Book of Aliens and Critters" etc. I'm tired of having to look through 50 books to find what i'm looking for.

Sounds like you could use an index !

Does anyone know how up to date the Index is with current product? Which was the last book to be included?

It's updated pretty frequently, here's a list of the books included. Last I heard, Forged In Battle was being entered: http://swrpg.viluppo.net/books/

It does take some time to enter all the information by hand so expect new books to be entered a couple weeks after they've been released.

.. ABOUT F****** TIME

The artwork is the least helpful way of figuring out what species might be in the book.

It has been reliable though. If they show art with a species that species is in the book. I am not aware of a time it wasn't.

It's been pretty hit or miss. Savage Spirits was totally misleading (featured pictures of a Twi'lek, Lannik and Pantoran). Special Modifications was only accurate because we got the cover art, which showed a Besalisk; if that art were different, there wouldn't be an inkling. Time will tell about Endless Vigil.

Have we even got Pantorans yet? Mind you, I don't have all the books quite yet, so I might have missed it...

At this point, though, frankly, I don't know if I am too worried. As long as there is no Gungan reprint I will be happy. This is just about my favorite class, and there are some players at my table who will read it just cause.

Here's the important thing about Savage Spirits that I think gets missed a lot: it was released WAAAAY ahead of schedule. Based on the product codes, both Endless Vigil and an additional career book were originally scheduled to be released before Savage Spirits . So if my assumption that the primary species shown in a book are species that are either A) printed in that book, or B) were printed in a previous book from that line holds true, then we should see pantorans in either Endless Vigil or our mystery career book (and since we seem to have them showing up in the EV artwork...).

I do plan on doing a full review of all artwork and shown species both in the books and announcement articles (likely this weekend) to put some numbers to this speculation and settle the debate one way or the other. Keep an eye on my Statistics thread for details!

It's updated pretty frequently, here's a list of the books included. Last I heard, Forged In Battle was being entered: http://swrpg.viluppo.net/books/

It does take some time to enter all the information by hand so expect new books to be entered a couple weeks after they've been released.

“Savage Spirits” is already in progress, but I don’t know if the code for “Forged in Battle” has been added yet. Once the code is added to the system by the core maintainer, those of us who are entering data can do the rest.

Been waiting for this one for a while, to me operator sounds like a modder where the "other" (non rigger) half was borrowed from gunner. I'm expecting a reprint of the armor crafting rules from keeping the peace because armor is so iconic to bounty hunters, and really hoping for an addition of an upgrade here or in the AoR version that allows you to make at least armored clothing "banal" (an equipment provided rank of the indistinguishable talent)

Operator could also be a gunner/pilot hybrid.

I've got a subscription for every new FFG star wars book from my FLGS so out of their first shipment they reserve a copy for me. Which I am really glad about because I know that this is going to sell out fast and then be hard to find until a reprint. I hope FFG makes an extra large first printing of no disintegrations though.

Out of the other two specs i'm hoping for something that will make me reconsider/challenge "hired gun:demolitionist, gadgeteer, mercenary soldier" as my favorite build. And the gear sounds pretty awesome but flashy whereas I prefer having a character that can blend into a crowd (notice the stated preference for adding the banal/indistinguishable upgrade to armor crafting)

This is the book I've been the most excited about since they announced they were doing career books. Glad it's finally in the home stretch.

The investigation angle is interesting to me; I hadn't put a lot of thought into it, but it makes perfect sense. Tracking down the quarry is what separates the hunter from the hired gun, after all.

"No disintegrations."

"As you wish."

What sort of weapons cause disintegrations? Or how does one disintegrate? Is this disruptor technology? Does Boba Fett love Darth Vader?

"I've outrun Imperial starships. Not the local bulk cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now."

What are the bulk cruisers? Does he mean star destroyers? Those are fairly easily out-maneuvered and outrun by something like the Falcon. And big Corellian ships? What are the Imperial ships of Corellian design/production?

Disruptors on a kill.

And all of those people would still buy it, and all of those people would still use it the most of all their books.

Besides, right now there is only a few guns a few races a few talent a few ships a few droids a few .... per book right now anyway

I wouldn't say all those people.

And you are mistaken on .... "it's only a few". No that is not the case. Just look at species, and not including the ones in upcoming announced products, we have roughly 70 of them (if you don't break down some species by bloodlines such as the Nikto and one other that escapes my mind). 70+ species is not just a few. The books themselves are roughly 96 pages and we'll easily cross 96 species before such a "big book of species" is actually released. That's not counting any new species that they would add. So unless they are going to drop another 96 species such a book would be 80-98% old material. That's just species. Bear in mind species were being added 3 per book. Guns and ships were being added around 5 to 10 new ones per book. Let's not start counting up equipment, ships, guns, talents, etc etc. If this were a single line, yeah a big book of wouldn't be repeat info. But because it's 3 separate lines such a book would mostly be rehash of everything else.

So yeah, maybe there is only a handful in each individual book, but we've clearly crossed the point where it is just a few. We have a massive collection of stuff now and any such "big of" book that collects it would mostly be just one big book of everything we already own.

Just a few PER BOOK

Kinda like what you were saying people would complain about if there was a big book. Yes, there are 70 some races. You also need to have 20 or so books on hand to find any random race, gun, ship, droid, talent or whatever else you may be looking for. I am on the small side of huge and I still find having to haul around 15-20 kilos of books to be an annoyance.

Quite frankly, complaining about recycled material is a whoopdie friggin do. I have bought almost all of this material at least 3 freaking times already between FFG, WEG and WOTCs different systems. I really doubt that I am even close to the only one who has done that. I am also not so arrogant or a nerd to think that I would rage quit the game if FFG wanted some money to give me something that would make my life easier.

As for them not being able to make money, horse hockey. It isnt the books that it is the problem. If that was the case, Piazo would never have gotten off the ground, much less making money off a redo of a different companies game in a massively fractured customer base. A catalog book is mostly a cut and paste job. It shouldnt take much to make the book, and if they do a smallish print run, they would end up like the SAGA starships book where the thing when for more than $100 on Ebay for years. By this point, they should know how many books they can expect to sell, so they can print that many.

And also, I will call out everyone here: At least two thirds of the people here, especially the ones who whine about having to pay for recycled material, would end up buying the catalog books. How many here buy basically every single book in the first place? That isnt going to change just cause they put out a useful catalog to make our lives easier.

Kinda like what you were saying people would complain about if there was a big book. Yes, there are 70 some races. You also need to have 20 or so books on hand to find any random race, gun, ship, droid, talent or whatever else you may be looking for. I am on the small side of huge and I still find having to haul around 15-20 kilos of books to be an annoyance.

I will truly never understand why people haul around 20 kilos of books. I have never sat through a session where I needed ALL my books that game. When I GM I write down the stuff I need so that I don't have to flip through books during play and when I'm a player all I really need most games is the CRB, if that much. Why people carry their entire library with them to each and every game is beyond me but you could seriously find better ways than hauling all of them around. I assure you.

Quite frankly, complaining about recycled material is a whoopdie friggin do.

Selling recycled material is how you lose customer loyalty.

I have bought almost all of this material at least 3 freaking times already between FFG, WEG and WOTCs different systems.

I wouldn't call it recycled material since what you're really paying for is the rules mechanics and all three of those systems were different. To be honest very few of us are buying Star Wars rpg books for setting info. Most of that is free. What we pay good money for is new mechanical crunch.

As for them not being able to make money, horse hockey. It isnt the books that it is the problem. If that was the case, Piazo would never have gotten off the ground, much less making money off a redo of a different companies game in a massively fractured customer base. A catalog book is mostly a cut and paste job. It shouldnt take much to make the book, and if they do a smallish print run, they would end up like the SAGA starships book where the thing when for more than $100 on Ebay for years. By this point, they should know how many books they can expect to sell, so they can print that many.

I never made a claim that they couldn't make money or that it would cost too much. What I proposed is that they would likely anger more fans than produce a real benefit for them. FFG has good customer loyalty right now. It may not be in their best interest to burn that bridge just to reprint all their material. It would also tend to make most of their older books not necessary buys. Releasing such a book means you don't have to buy the older books. They want to move those older books to though.

They would be better off at that point of just doing a 2nd Edition and saving us all some time and money.

And also, I will call out everyone here: At least two thirds of the people here, especially the ones who whine about having to pay for recycled material, would end up buying the catalog books.

Again with the everyone. I can assure you not everyone would rebuy recycled material. There are some that would. But there are many that would not.

That isnt going to change just cause they put out a useful catalog to make our lives easier.

My life is already easy. Between the Index was linked earlier in this thread and this one right here , the species thread in my sig line, and OggDudes character generator I honestly can't say that I need to carry much of anything around. If one were to make use of the available resources one would discover that we already have for free what some people are proposing we pay for.

Given all of that and proper preparation, I will truly never understand why people claim they HAVE TO carry around all their books and thus need FFG to produce a big book of.

Kinda like what you were saying people would complain about if there was a big book. Yes, there are 70 some races. You also need to have 20 or so books on hand to find any random race, gun, ship, droid, talent or whatever else you may be looking for. I am on the small side of huge and I still find having to haul around 15-20 kilos of books to be an annoyance.

I will truly never understand why people haul around 20 kilos of books. I have never sat through a session where I needed ALL my books that game. When I GM I write down the stuff I need so that I don't have to flip through books during play and when I'm a player all I really need most games is the CRB, if that much. Why people carry their entire library with them to each and every game is beyond me but you could seriously find better ways than hauling all of them around. I assure you.

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Given all of that and proper preparation, I will truly never understand why people claim they HAVE TO carry around all their books and thus need FFG to produce a big book of.

I want to comment on this...

Out of my five current players only 1 of them has any of the books, and I believe he only has the EotE and AoR core books, so for the most part the only time my players get to look at the published content to upgrade their characters is when we game in person (which seems to be once every two months now). And seriously taking time at the table away from the session is somewhat problematic but that is another issue (one that I deal with by scanning a few pages here and there to email to my players)

I have ALL of the published books, GM screens, 7 sets of (opened) dice (plus a few I put up for a rainy day), and the the EotE beginner game (Actually 1 of the 7 opened sets of dice came from the beginner game), About a year ago, bringing all the my books to the FLGS (Active Imagination WOOT WOOT they're awesome) to game became problematic, so I started choosing what to bring skip the adventures, only bring the AoR GM screen, limit the WotC minis I bring to what I plan in advance to use, limit which maps I bring to the ones I've already planned to use, limit the snacks I bring... but even that became untenable. But their was a solution (because my amazing wife is supportive of my gaming hobby that she doesn't personally appreciate), my wife let me buy a "that's not a coffee table, that's a dinner table for hobbits" coffee table and I started hosting my game in my living room around the ginormous coffee table. It's a close to ideal solution that has worked for me (I'm starting to think about getting an even bigger coffee table though, or maybe just getting another identical one and putting them together), I even get to use chromecast to display by monitor and play star wars music on the flat screen tv+speakers, and I've got my all in one printer, scanner, photo copier, fax machine, ... to print updated character sheets ony the fly (but ogg dude sheets are mad slow to print because they are treated as images, I'm thinking of upgrading to a color laser printer in a few years when my ink jet dies), all in all gaming at home is pretty awesome.

However, I know that what worked for me won't work for everyone, not every GM has an amazing spouse who is okay with him/her inviting friends over to game. Not everyone has a ginormous coffee table or other appropriately large table and adequate seating for their gaming group.

While a small part of me would mind having big books of <player options> containing "recycled" material, I know I would buy them anyway (I miss the days when money instead of time was the limiter on my gaming hobby), and I know they would get a LOT of use at my gaming/coffee table by my players. The downside is that either the "complete" book of X become either becomes "incomplete" rather quickly or the game has ended. And as long as the game hasn't ended I would actually prefer FFG to spend time working on new material.

So I'm going to say that both of your have legitimate points and really this isn't worth arguing about.

And all of those people would still buy it, and all of those people would still use it the most of all their books.

Besides, right now there is only a few guns a few races a few talent a few ships a few droids a few .... per book right now anyway

I wouldn't say all those people.

And you are mistaken on .... "it's only a few". No that is not the case. Just look at species, and not including the ones in upcoming announced products, we have roughly 70 of them (if you don't break down some species by bloodlines such as the Nikto and one other that escapes my mind). 70+ species is not just a few. The books themselves are roughly 96 pages and we'll easily cross 96 species before such a "big book of species" is actually released. That's not counting any new species that they would add. So unless they are going to drop another 96 species such a book would be 80-98% old material. That's just species. Bear in mind species were being added 3 per book. Guns and ships were being added around 5 to 10 new ones per book. Let's not start counting up equipment, ships, guns, talents, etc etc. If this were a single line, yeah a big book of wouldn't be repeat info. But because it's 3 separate lines such a book would mostly be rehash of everything else.

So yeah, maybe there is only a handful in each individual book, but we've clearly crossed the point where it is just a few. We have a massive collection of stuff now and any such "big of" book that collects it would mostly be just one big book of everything we already own.

Just a few PER BOOK

Kinda like what you were saying people would complain about if there was a big book. Yes, there are 70 some races. You also need to have 20 or so books on hand to find any random race, gun, ship, droid, talent or whatever else you may be looking for. I am on the small side of huge and I still find having to haul around 15-20 kilos of books to be an annoyance.

Quite frankly, complaining about recycled material is a whoopdie friggin do. I have bought almost all of this material at least 3 freaking times already between FFG, WEG and WOTCs different systems. I really doubt that I am even close to the only one who has done that. I am also not so arrogant or a nerd to think that I would rage quit the game if FFG wanted some money to give me something that would make my life easier.

As for them not being able to make money, horse hockey. It isnt the books that it is the problem. If that was the case, Piazo would never have gotten off the ground, much less making money off a redo of a different companies game in a massively fractured customer base. A catalog book is mostly a cut and paste job. It shouldnt take much to make the book, and if they do a smallish print run, they would end up like the SAGA starships book where the thing when for more than $100 on Ebay for years. By this point, they should know how many books they can expect to sell, so they can print that many.

And also, I will call out everyone here: At least two thirds of the people here, especially the ones who whine about having to pay for recycled material, would end up buying the catalog books. How many here buy basically every single book in the first place? That isnt going to change just cause they put out a useful catalog to make our lives easier.

Guys, I think we'd better stick to the original topic. This seems to me to be a troll post designed to get us off topic.

Hereby returning to .......NO DISINTEGRATIONS!!!

My life is already easy. Between the Index was linked earlier in this thread and this one right here , the species thread in my sig line, and OggDudes character generator I honestly can't say that I need to carry much of anything around. If one were to make use of the available resources one would discover that we already have for free what some people are proposing we pay for.

Given all of that and proper preparation, I will truly never understand why people claim they HAVE TO carry around all their books and thus need FFG to produce a big book of.

That Google Drive one. My wife made that using our books. It's been en enormous help.