I much prefer the honorable warrior clan view of the Mandalorians, but people are free to like and enjoy what they wish. Nothing stops me from continuing to play my Mandalorian Bounty Hunter the way I want to.

Either way, excited to see what FFG does with it.

I much prefer the honorable warrior clan view of the Mandalorians, but people are free to like and enjoy what they wish. Nothing stops me from continuing to play my Mandalorian Bounty Hunter the way I want to.

I think that we will get Mandalorian human stats. Boba Fett was the first really iconic Bounty Hunter, and was Mandalorian...

...except that he wasn't. At least not in the current canon. In TCW. the Death Watch explicitly state that the bounty hunter Jango Fett acquired and used Mandalorian armor but was not, in fact, Mandalorian.

But, yes, in the old Marvel comics and the 90s/00s EU, the Fetts were said to be Mandalorian.

However, I agree that we will still probably see at least some material on the Mandalorians in this book ... even if it's just armor, weapons, and ships (like the announced Fang fighter).

I'm also hoping for species stats and background info on the shadier sides of the Kyuzo and Devaronians.

I guess Boba is to Mandalorians what Leia is to Ubese... Introducing the species/culture by impersonating a member of it.

Weird how Disney gets the "blame" for this while the Clone Wars cartoon depiction of Mandalore was pre-Disney and all George...

Because Disney removed the setting material that had the details that people wanted. The Clone Wars presentation of them made a canon statement about what they were in the "modern" era of Star Wars. But due to the flexibility of canon material the older material still applied, sans contradictions that would make the Clone Wars the correct view. Now the only material that exists on them is what we see in Clone Wars (and soon to be Rebels episodes). That would be the fault of Disney (do note though that I'm not implying there should be any anger directed at Disney).

Granted this is an RPG so you know you are free to use whatever version of Mandolare you like. But based on the new knowledge gleaned from Order 66 odds are high that FFG will lean closer to what Disney wants than what the old material indicated. Thus it is far more likely that Mandalorians will be humans and you'd get stats for them as humans and no consideration for people who adopt their ways as far as stats go. Which ...... to be honest I don't mind since I think it's silly for species stats to change due to just culture.

...except that he wasn't. At least not in the current canon. In TCW. the Death Watch explicitly state that the bounty hunter Jango Fett acquired and used Mandalorian armor but was not, in fact, Mandalorian.

Pablo Hidalgo, on behalf of the Story Group, also reiterated that the Fetts aren't Mandalorians.

I'm perfectly fine with the Fetts not being Mandalorians... buuuuuuuut... Almec turned out to be a shady character and seemed super-sketchy about his denial of Jango as Mandalorian. It's perfectly reasonable to think that Almec might have been trying to lie to the Jedi to get them off Mandalore.

...except that he wasn't. At least not in the current canon. In TCW. the Death Watch explicitly state that the bounty hunter Jango Fett acquired and used Mandalorian armor but was not, in fact, Mandalorian.

Pablo Hidalgo, on behalf of the Story Group, also reiterated that the Fetts aren't Mandalorians.

I'm perfectly fine with the Fetts not being Mandalorians... buuuuuuuut... Almec turned out to be a shady character and seemed super-sketchy about his denial of Jango as Mandalorian. It's perfectly reasonable to think that Almec might have been trying to lie to the Jedi to get them off Mandalore.

Or not lying at all. Jango could be known as a criminal, that while Jango claims to be Mandalorian, Mandalorians don't consider him to be a paragon if their culture. Like a terrorist that claims to be a religious icon, they forsake the cardinal rules of said religion*. Jango, and this Boba, are rogue elements. They may say they are Mandaloran, but may care two things about the culture, Jaxxon and poodoo. And Jaxxon left town.

* no specific religion is mentioned or implied, you become a terrorist you forget the "be excellent to each other" rule every religion seems to have, and become a armhole in the sweater of jerkitude.

My thought is that there are those who became the New Mandalorians (Satine's way), those who became Death Watch (super hardcore traditionalists and purists), and then other, dispersed groups that have been away from both that they've shaped their own ideas of what a "Mandalorian" is. Satine could say the old Mandalorians were extinct because those others that were still around weren't from Mandalore, while Death Watch didn't view them as true Mandalorians. Groups one and two could disparage the third group as as 'pretenders.'

The fact it is not canon (yet) doesn't mean it is automatically discredited or without merrit. I only consider things no longer applicable once they are discredited/contradicted.

Yes but I'm not saying it doesn't have merit. I'm stating that given what we know of Disney's level of oversite that I'm more inclined to think whatever we see in Friends Like These on the matter is going to align more closely to their wishes than they would our wishes. Does that mean that the old material is out for good? No. FFG does have some room to be creative (again information gleaned from a recent Order 66 podcast). But with the knowledge that Disney also dictates some things be done I expect that whatever we see will align with their wishes. I am certain that FFG writers got to flex some creative muscles with their Mandalorian content in Friends Like These . But whether that creative flex is in line with what people are hoping for is just a guess. And if we're guessing then my guess is that material will align closer to Disney's vision of Star Wars than it will our vision of Star Wars.

While I don't think the rpg is canon (we've been given no evidence that it is after all) we do have evidence that Disney tends to want this material to not diverge too far from what they are saying about Star Wars.

Based on this image from the Friends Like These article, it's probably safe to say they aren't taking the pacifistic approach to Mandalorians, in any case.

I am uncomfortable with discussing things in terms like "our wishes" and "our vision of Star Wars". As far as I am concerned people should not try to speak for others or voice opinions of whole groups.

Thusfar I see no reason to believe Disney will move things to a place I am unhappy with. At all.

I think that we will get Mandalorian human stats. Boba Fett was the first really iconic Bounty Hunter, and was Mandalorian...

...except that he wasn't. At least not in the current canon. In TCW. the Death Watch explicitly state that the bounty hunter Jango Fett acquired and used Mandalorian armor but was not, in fact, Mandalorian.

But, yes, in the old Marvel comics and the 90s/00s EU, the Fetts were said to be Mandalorian.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought originally that even ol' George said that Boba was Mandalorian. Of course, we all know that Han shot first, too......

Anyway, in the old canon the Death Watch hated Jango, and he battled with them repeatedly, as they had killed his family when he was little. The Death Watch are so hard-core, that it would make sense to me that they would consider anyone who didn't align with their view of the world to not be a 'real' Mandalorian.

Certaintly they didn't believe the New Mandalorians were 'real' Mandalorians since they were pacifists.

Based on this image from the Friends Like These article, it's probably safe to say they aren't taking the pacifistic approach to Mandalorians, in any case.

Which would line up closely to Rebels who, if rumors are true, are portraying Mandalorians as being hired guns for the Empire. Based on the plot of Friends Like These I heavily suspect that's what we are going to see of Mandalore. Though I also suspect there will be some mention of Satine and her pacifist ways.

I am uncomfortable with discussing things in terms like "our wishes" and "our vision of Star Wars". As far as I am concerned people should not try to speak for others or voice opinions of whole groups.

Thusfar I see no reason to believe Disney will move things to a place I am unhappy with. At all.

Well, we can not deny that there are competing visions of Star Wars. Based on various conversations it's clear that people ideas of Star Wars differ at times than the direction the franchise is currently be taken in, especially in regards to its past and the importance of previous material. In that regard what a lot of people want to see of things like Mandalorians may be very different from what Disney is willing to allow to be written about them. Some people don't want Mandalorians as a distinct species as opposed to a culture of warriors. If Disney decides that's not how it works and they decide to enforce that on how FFG develops Mandalorians then those people aren't going to be as happy as say people who are ok with Disney's vision for Star Wars.

And while you may not be unhappy with the direction Disney has taken things (and I honestly have no issue either) there are plenty who do have issues with the direction that Disney is moving Star Wars.

I would be ok with the Mandalorians working for the Empire. (And yes, as far as I can tell, that is how they are doing it in Rebels) Mandalorians are notorious for hiring their skills to the highest bidder, and who can bid higher than the Empire (or the Hutts)?

Besides, it seems to me that the types of crusades Mandalorians go on tend to be personal ones, not necessarily because it is for the greater good.

How about this solution:

A Mandalorian species option, human with special skill selection options.

A Deathwatch Universal Specialisation, probably with suggested narrative restrictions on how a PC becomes one. Recruit works for this purpose, but creating a new one could allow FFG to include very thematic talents and focus it more on that specific culture.

That image looks more like the Mandalorians are fighting against the Imperials - if you look close enough, it appears they are shooting at people clad in all white with armor similar to Stormtroopers or Scout Troopers. They might have it where you can recruit a Mandalorian sect to fight for the Rebellion - which would make the availability of the Mandalorian Human species tie-in.

One of the groups in Friend Like These the PCs have to try to recruit might be some Mandalorian Deathwatch Commandos.

One of the groups in Friend Like These the PCs have to try to recruit might be some Mandalorian Deathwatch Commandos.

Don't forget the Madalorian Protectors (aka the "True Mandalorians").

Based on this image from the Friends Like These article, it's probably safe to say they aren't taking the pacifistic approach to Mandalorians, in any case.

Those are long-range spray paint cannons, just like Sabine in Rebels. They're painting neon kittens on the walls.

And while you may not be unhappy with the direction Disney has taken things (and I honestly have no issue either) there are plenty who do have issues with the direction that Disney is moving Star Wars.

Also, there might be plenty people taking issue with the current direction they are still a completely marginal group and there is no denying the largest majority is happy with the current wave Star Wars is riding.

But we are getting really really off-topic here...

i hope that there is a wanted poster for this book. and i hope they also do a pdf version as well.

and i hope they also do a pdf version as well.

Oh boy...

and i hope they also do a pdf version as well.

Oh boy...

There's a big distinction between releasing a PDF of support materials - such as a character sheet - which are useless without the actual printed rule books and creating a PDF game product, which is what a poster would be as it can be used independently of the game. Disney's lawyers would be happy to explain it in court.

I want an FFG PDF poster of the Star Wars galaxy. I don't see it happening.