almost double the Imperial class because [redacted] reason, I'm JJ Abrams)

Right, because there was no history of having the same thing as before only bigger in Star Wars before Abrams' film...

There certainly was. However, even the absurdity of the various Star Dreadnoughts, up to and including the Eclipse, could be passingly justified. The First Order on the other hand is an organization which it is implied to be in hiding, begging the question why in God's name they're building gigantic, apparently-technologically-advanced capital ships over twice the size of a ship known to cower entire planets with sheer force. (Also asks why they're building a superweapon IN a planet, but without that, there would be no plot ability to reset the entire Star Wars universe to roughly post-ANH.) Full disclosure, I am a Legends Loyalist and consider the new movies an Alternate Universe (AU vs the Expanded Universe "EU"), and will happily take potshots at a movie that rode nostalgia to its billions. The point of this thread isn't to discuss TFA though, it's to discuss what is apparently clickbait. If it is just a claim that he is modifying the set to fit into Armada (I can't read German), then it is not "fake" as in made up, but it definitely is not FFG's Wave 6.

I was referring purely to the original trilogy. The Death Star being the obvious example, then there's the Executor as well.

I never got the impression that the First Order was supposed to be "in hiding" - where'd you get that from?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order A lot of the beginning of TFA implied that the Resistance and the First Order were engaged in a proxy war across the Outer Rim (at least to me). Then they annihilated the Hosnian system (the NR capital, though that is definitely not clear), and somehow the entire NR starfleet. The Death Stars are another example, as is the Star Dreadnought Executor, but both of those can be more easily hand-waved away than the Finalizer.

almost double the Imperial class because [redacted] reason, I'm JJ Abrams)

Right, because there was no history of having the same thing as before only bigger in Star Wars before Abrams' film...

There certainly was. However, even the absurdity of the various Star Dreadnoughts, up to and including the Eclipse, could be passingly justified. The First Order on the other hand is an organization which it is implied to be in hiding, begging the question why in God's name they're building gigantic, apparently-technologically-advanced capital ships over twice the size of a ship known to cower entire planets with sheer force. (Also asks why they're building a superweapon IN a planet, but without that, there would be no plot ability to reset the entire Star Wars universe to roughly post-ANH.) Full disclosure, I am a Legends Loyalist and consider the new movies an Alternate Universe (AU vs the Expanded Universe "EU"), and will happily take potshots at a movie that rode nostalgia to its billions. The point of this thread isn't to discuss TFA though, it's to discuss what is apparently clickbait. If it is just a claim that he is modifying the set to fit into Armada (I can't read German), then it is not "fake" as in made up, but it definitely is not FFG's Wave 6.

I was referring purely to the original trilogy. The Death Star being the obvious example, then there's the Executor as well.

I never got the impression that the First Order was supposed to be "in hiding" - where'd you get that from?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order A lot of the beginning of TFA implied that the Resistance and the First Order were engaged in a proxy war across the Outer Rim (at least to me). Then they annihilated the Hosnian system (the NR capital, though that is definitely not clear), and somehow the entire NR starfleet. The Death Stars are another example, as is the Star Dreadnought Executor, but both of those can be more easily hand-waved away than the Finalizer.

Yeah, they were away from the core systems, but I don't think thee was any indication that they were being subtle. The first scene in the film suggests they weren't exactly shy.

Not sure why you say those things can be more easily have waved away than the Finalizer. It's not even as though a big deal is made of it in the film.

almost double the Imperial class because [redacted] reason, I'm JJ Abrams)

Right, because there was no history of having the same thing as before only bigger in Star Wars before Abrams' film...

There certainly was. However, even the absurdity of the various Star Dreadnoughts, up to and including the Eclipse, could be passingly justified. The First Order on the other hand is an organization which it is implied to be in hiding, begging the question why in God's name they're building gigantic, apparently-technologically-advanced capital ships over twice the size of a ship known to cower entire planets with sheer force. (Also asks why they're building a superweapon IN a planet, but without that, there would be no plot ability to reset the entire Star Wars universe to roughly post-ANH.) Full disclosure, I am a Legends Loyalist and consider the new movies an Alternate Universe (AU vs the Expanded Universe "EU"), and will happily take potshots at a movie that rode nostalgia to its billions. The point of this thread isn't to discuss TFA though, it's to discuss what is apparently clickbait. If it is just a claim that he is modifying the set to fit into Armada (I can't read German), then it is not "fake" as in made up, but it definitely is not FFG's Wave 6.

I was referring purely to the original trilogy. The Death Star being the obvious example, then there's the Executor as well.

I never got the impression that the First Order was supposed to be "in hiding" - where'd you get that from?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order A lot of the beginning of TFA implied that the Resistance and the First Order were engaged in a proxy war across the Outer Rim (at least to me). Then they annihilated the Hosnian system (the NR capital, though that is definitely not clear), and somehow the entire NR starfleet. The Death Stars are another example, as is the Star Dreadnought Executor, but both of those can be more easily hand-waved away than the Finalizer.

Yeah, they were away from the core systems, but I don't think thee was any indication that they were being subtle. The first scene in the film suggests they weren't exactly shy.

Not sure why you say those things can be more easily have waved away than the Finalizer. It's not even as though a big deal is made of it in the film.

The Executor was the flagship of Death Squadron and designed as part of a mass fleet buildup after the destruction of the first Death Star to reinforce the Navy and allow the Empire to threaten entire star systems with single ships, though rarely was such a starship left alone. The second Death Star was larger to accommodate several of the reactors that powered the original, allowing a much faster refire time on the newer design (minutes as opposed to the 24 hours quoted in the EU). I haven't heard or encountered any such reasoning for Finalizer. Like I said, I'm a Legends Loyalist, and IRL I'm an engineer, it's these sorts of details that drew me to Star Wars and the EU in particular in the first place, and its apparent discarding by Disney does not sit well with me.

I haven't heard or encountered any such reasoning for Finalizer. Like I said, I'm a Legends Loyalist, and IRL I'm an engineer, it's these sorts of details that drew me to Star Wars and the EU in particular in the first place, and its apparent discarding by Disney does not sit well with me.

As someone who deals with Engineers on a daily basis, I can understand your position... But it does feel like its brought down to "They havn't put the manual on the shelf, so the plans don't exist..."

Which is potentially true... its also potentially false, but even if it is, its patently worthless anyway, if its not on the **** shelf...

Sound about right for an Engineer?

I haven't heard or encountered any such reasoning for Finalizer. Like I said, I'm a Legends Loyalist, and IRL I'm an engineer, it's these sorts of details that drew me to Star Wars and the EU in particular in the first place, and its apparent discarding by Disney does not sit well with me.

As someone who deals with Engineers on a daily basis, I can understand your position... But it does feel like its brought down to "They havn't put the manual on the shelf, so the plans don't exist..."

Which is potentially true... its also potentially false, but even if it is, its patently worthless anyway, if its not on the **** shelf...

Sound about right for an Engineer?

A bit of an oversimplification, as I think Disney's new AU has discarded that thorough, almost Clancy-esque mode of storytelling completely, but at the end of the day, yes.

I mean, not defending Disney (I'm not paid to), but its still new, and they're taking their time at re-realising, giving us the absolute minimum as we go ahead, to milk as much as possible...

We were super-spoiled by the EU in parts... And dumped on, for others.

They'd already had to retcon a ton of stuff before Disney bought them anyway...

Where was the death star designed? By geonosians or engineers in the Maw? (The same people that gave us the suncrusher...)

I loved a large part of the Legends stuff, but there was little control.

I'd rather have them cherry pick some favorites and lose a few details than have the suncrusher, centerpoint station, and the dark saber...

They'd already had to retcon a ton of stuff before Disney bought them anyway...

Where was the death star designed? By geonosians or engineers in the Maw? (The same people that gave us the suncrusher...)

I loved a large part of the Legends stuff, but there was little control.

I'd rather have them cherry pick some favorites and lose a few details than have the suncrusher, centerpoint station, and the dark saber...

Actually there was a lot of control at the start of the EU. Lucas kept the writers firmly under his control, but alas, their own success made them greedy. Then no story was off-limits and control was non-existent.

Yes, there are parts of the EU that even the most loyal defender (like myself) shake their heads in disbelief at. But give kuddos to the EU and WEG Star Wars RPG. Interest in Star Wars was almost dead before they helped bring about a new era. Believe me, those were truly the dark times

Is it really so hard to understand?

Not sure. Don't get so worked up over that, man.