Not sure if this has been asked or not, but since Dash ignores obstacles during the Activation phase, would he be immune to the effect of it blowing up?

I believe it could be argued either way, but I think the answer will be "No - he is not immune."

Any thoughts on this?

That is a good one for an FAQ... is Dash ever at range 1 of an obstacle during Activation Phase...

No, he is not immune. This isn't the effect of an obstacle, it's the effect of a Seismic Torpedo.

Except his pilot ability is straight up just "ignore obstacles", not "ignore the effects of obstacles". It could be argued he is not within range 1 of an obstacle because he ignores obstacles.

I'm firmly in the "He should roll for damage" category, but I won't be surprised if it gets FAQ'd.

Except his pilot ability is straight up just "ignore obstacles", not "ignore the effects of obstacles". It could be argued he is not within range 1 of an obstacle because he ignores obstacles.

I'm firmly in the "He should roll for damage" category, but I won't be surprised if it gets FAQ'd.

Dash isn't the one in control of the effect that cares whether he's at Range 1 of an obstacle. His pilot ability would need to be worded like "all players must ignore obstacles in relation to Dash" for it to matter for somebody else's Seismic Torpedoes.

Even if you could somehow get a torpedo upgrade on Dash, his ability is optional, so he could still use Seismics.

No, he is not immune. This isn't the effect of an obstacle, it's the effect of a Seismic Torpedo.

As noted by Muribundi and Zefirus (playing devil's advocate here) Dash ignores obstacles for all intents and purposes in the Activation phase.

Just as he gets to ignore the effects of overlapping an asteroid or debris field - it can be argued that he ignores range measurements to obstacles.

I personally think that you are right and the Seismic Torpedo effect will count, but thought I would pose this question to see the arguments both ways..

No, he is not immune. This isn't the effect of an obstacle, it's the effect of a Seismic Torpedo.

As noted by Muribundi and Zefirus (playing devil's advocate here) Dash ignores obstacles for all intents and purposes in the Activation phase.

Just as he gets to ignore the effects of overlapping an asteroid or debris field - it can be argued that he ignores range measurements to obstacles.

I personally think that you are right and the Seismic Torpedo effect will count, but thought I would pose this question to see the arguments both ways..

I'd be surprised if it's ruled that way, but I've been surprised before. Frequently.

No, he is not immune. This isn't the effect of an obstacle, it's the effect of a Seismic Torpedo.

Almost answered this way as well, but I pulled up Dash's card an had to question it myself. How can Dash be in Range 1 of something he's ignoring? Definitely worth the ask; thanks OP.

If he was the one blowing it up? I'd say maybe. Then he would be the active ship. Suffering the effects of a barn sized chunk of stone coming through his windscreen? Oh, yeah he's definitely susceptible to damage.

I realise he can't take a missile or torpedo upgrade so for now he's not blowing up any rocks.

Dash's ability has nothing to do with him being the active ship, it simply references the activation phase and performing actions.

Now if someone shoots one of these during combat - say after Airen Cracken passes them an action - then yes, Dash is definitely rolling for damage.

It is just that some people ask for FAQ on more clear cut thing then this. At least in this case there is an argument... I mean flavorfully, if you can barrel roll or boost trought obstacle, it would be weird you can't do that through part of obstacle...

I'm not on either side, but according to the rule it could be possible for Dash to roll for the damage and it could be possible to ignore it.

Dash's ability has nothing to do with him being the active ship, it simply references the activation phase and performing actions.

When somebody uses Seismic Torpedoes to blow up a rock and measures to see whether Dash is at Range 1 of it, Dash is not the one doing the measurement, so it doesn't matter whether he is willing to make eye contact with the rock.

Seismic Torpedeos should definitely be able to damage Dash.

Maybe he can ignore obstacles but the ST doesn't care about that when it is handing out damage. Also remember that Dash's ability is not always one as obstructions could still prevent him from performing certain actions.

Although Dash is a great pilot that can fly around asteroids and debris as if it wasn't there (thus ignoring it), I still think if someone pounds an asteroid with a Seismic Torpedo, it's going to be pretty darned hard to ignore that massive explosion and the resulting shower of rocks.

I don't think his ability would allow him to ignore a Seismic Torpedo. I also don't think his ability excludes him from measurement from an obstacle. I firmly believe the intent of his ability is to ignore the effect when overlapping them and allow him to perform actions when he does overlap them, and that's all.

Dash's ability has nothing to do with him being the active ship, it simply references the activation phase and performing actions.

Now if someone shoots one of these during combat - say after Airen Cracken passes them an action - then yes, Dash is definitely rolling for damage.

True, but with some exceptions, you need to be the active ship to perform actions. The bit about the activation phase was included because he can't ignore obstacles during the combat phase. At least not as a pilot.

If the seismic torpedoe had beens something along the line of:

"Chose an obstacle and move it up to range 1. Enemies that overlap the new position suffer the effect of the obstacle."

Then I would definitly say that Dash's ability applies. However, the damage rolled in this case is a combination of the torpedoe and obstacle; notice that you roll the same damage whether it is an asteroid or debris and you don't get a stress either. So my gut feeling right now is that Dash cannot ignore the torpedoe component, so he cannot ignore the damage.

That being said, I have been wrong before, so I would not mind it if it was clarified.

Dash's ability has nothing to do with him being the active ship, it simply references the activation phase and performing actions.

Dash's ability also says nothing about anybody else having to ignore obstacles.

When somebody uses Seismic Torpedoes to blow up a rock and measures to see whether Dash is at Range 1 of it, Dash is not the one doing the measurement, so it doesn't matter whether he is willing to make eye contact with the rock.

Since it's the other ship doing the measuring, it has no cause to reference Dash's ability and thus doesn't ignore him. I can buy that.

Seismic torpedo: ..."each ship at range 1 of the obstacle rolls 1 attack die and suffers all damage (hit icon) and critical damage (crit icon) rolled."

Dash Rendar: "You may ignore obstacles during the movement and activation phase"


FWIW Dash can be at range 1 of an obstacle, even if he is ignoring it. He doesn't make it disappear, he just ignores it.

No, he is not immune. This isn't the effect of an obstacle, it's the effect of a Seismic Torpedo.

Almost answered this way as well, but I pulled up Dash's card an had to question it myself. How can Dash be in Range 1 of something he's ignoring? Definitely worth the ask; thanks OP.

I'm ignoring my cat right now. I'm still sat next to the bugger.

Maybe I missed it in the replies above but Seismic Torpedos are used in the attack phase. Dash's ability is during the activation phase. So, it seems that any discussion of Dash ignoring the damage is moot.

Maybe I missed it in the replies above but Seismic Torpedos are used in the attack phase. Dash's ability is during the activation phase. So, it seems that any discussion of Dash ignoring the damage is moot.

If he was the one blowing it up? I'd say maybe. Then he would be the active ship. Suffering the effects of a barn sized chunk of stone coming through his windscreen? Oh, yeah he's definitely susceptible to damage.

I realise he can't take a missile or torpedo upgrade so for now he's not blowing up any rocks.

The YT-2400 has a missile slot...

i'd agree with digitalbusker on this.

Dash's ability specifically says "you" indicating the ship itself. There are already several ways to bypass this because "you" arent doing it, someone else is. OL + Palp ring a bell?

Dash would ignore obstacles if he chooses his ability to do so. However, hes not measuring if hes in range1 of an obstacle, the other ship is. Just like you can bypass OL's "cannot mod dice" if some outside force mods the dice instead, you can bypass Dash's obstacle immunity as long as you arent forcing him to make the range check. Seismic Torps does no such thing.

If he was the one blowing it up? I'd say maybe. Then he would be the active ship. Suffering the effects of a barn sized chunk of stone coming through his windscreen? Oh, yeah he's definitely susceptible to damage.

I realise he can't take a missile or torpedo upgrade so for now he's not blowing up any rocks.

The YT-2400 has a missile slot...

You're right. That shows you how often I've run him.

If he was the one blowing it up? I'd say maybe. Then he would be the active ship. Suffering the effects of a barn sized chunk of stone coming through his windscreen? Oh, yeah he's definitely susceptible to damage.

I realise he can't take a missile or torpedo upgrade so for now he's not blowing up any rocks.

I'd contend that, by his pilot ability, he'd be unable to actually use SeisTorps at all. I mean, even if he could use Torps.

EDIT: His pilot ability is a 'may,' and I'm a dumb.