Rogue One, Another Ship? SPOILER

By rilesman, in X-Wing Off-Topic

Good time for an X/Y rebel vets pack.

Good time for an X/Y rebel vets pack.

Yes, please! With BTL-A4 titles, pilots with Elite upgrade slots and abilities that work with the title. Then also the final piece of the X-Wing boost via title, since we really need that. X-Wings are playable right now, Integrated Astromech was a huge improvement, but FFG should work on making Luke a great ship, like they managed to do with Vader.

That almost looks fake.

Would rather have X/E buffs before another Y pack.

That almost looks fake.

It is genuine as far as I know.

Would rather have X/E buffs before another Y pack.

You betray your name! The rebel Y-Wing needs some aces! The E-Wing on the other hand is still too overepresented until the last person has stopped playing Corran. My hatred for Corran is eternal!

Not too surprised that Y-Wings would make an appearance since they were a starfighter/bomber for the Rebels at the time. Question is if they are used by the more peaceful rebels or the extremists, though the non-black colors already alludes to it.

That almost looks fake.

It is genuine as far as I know.

Would rather have X/E buffs before another Y pack.

You betray your name! The rebel Y-Wing needs some aces! The E-Wing on the other hand is still too overepresented until the last person has stopped playing Corran. My hatred for Corran is eternal!

No. The Y-wing doesn't need help. The E-wing desperately needs help. Sure the the Y-wing could use variety and aces, but the E-wing isn't even playable. Even Corran is starting to falter.

I thought his is about a new ship turns out it's just about the old Y-Wing.

Do think we will get another new ship besides the U-Wing,Tie-strikerand that Shuttle?

That almost looks fake.

It is genuine as far as I know.

Would rather have X/E buffs before another Y pack.

You betray your name! The rebel Y-Wing needs some aces! The E-Wing on the other hand is still too overepresented until the last person has stopped playing Corran. My hatred for Corran is eternal!

No. The Y-wing doesn't need help. The E-wing desperately needs help. Sure the the Y-wing could use variety and aces, but the E-wing isn't even playable. Even Corran is starting to falter.

Well, how many Y-Wings have you seen placing on the rebel side lately? When they did, what were they? Right, probably Gold Squadron Pilots. Grey Squadrons suffer from the old mid PS problems, Vander is cute for wave 1 only lists, Horton is way too expensive for how little chance he has to make it to the lategame. How is only seeing Gold Squadron Pilots better than only seeing Corran?

Then you have Etahn who suffers in 100 points from not being Corran, but who, thanks to the multiplification on guns availiable, is one of the core ships in Rebel epic fleets. The Y-Wing? Turbolaserfodder that can only be used for anti-fighter squadrons aimed at people that spam X-Wings/TIE Fighters/Defenders/generally efficient stuff that resists long range attacks. However there Ghosts and B-Wings will often work just as well if not better due to the availiable firepower and higher durability. 12 TLT is strong, but only in certain matchups and even then usually only because it is less taxing to play.

This: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!e!74:18,-1,-1,-1:-1:1:;3:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Is just better than this: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!e!6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

So when you factor in that the Y-Wing is a lot more popular and featured in a new movie, it is just as deserving of new toys.

Also did I mention I hate Corran?

That almost looks fake.

It is genuine as far as I know.

Would rather have X/E buffs before another Y pack.

You betray your name! The rebel Y-Wing needs some aces! The E-Wing on the other hand is still too overepresented until the last person has stopped playing Corran. My hatred for Corran is eternal!

No. The Y-wing doesn't need help. The E-wing desperately needs help. Sure the the Y-wing could use variety and aces, but the E-wing isn't even playable. Even Corran is starting to falter.

Well, how many Y-Wings have you seen placing on the rebel side lately? When they did, what were they? Right, probably Gold Squadron Pilots. Grey Squadrons suffer from the old mid PS problems, Vander is cute for wave 1 only lists, Horton is way too expensive for how little chance he has to make it to the lategame. How is only seeing Gold Squadron Pilots better than only seeing Corran?

Then you have Etahn who suffers in 100 points from not being Corran, but who, thanks to the multiplification on guns availiable, is one of the core ships in Rebel epic fleets. The Y-Wing? Turbolaserfodder that can only be used for anti-fighter squadrons aimed at people that spam X-Wings/TIE Fighters/Defenders/generally efficient stuff that resists long range attacks. However there Ghosts and B-Wings will often work just as well if not better due to the availiable firepower and higher durability. 12 TLT is strong, but only in certain matchups and even then usually only because it is less taxing to play.

This: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!e!74:18,-1,-1,-1:-1:1:;3:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:;2:-1,2:-1:20:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Is just better than this: https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!e!6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;6:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:;9:135,-1,-1,-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

So when you factor in that the Y-Wing is a lot more popular and featured in a new movie, it is just as deserving of new toys.

Also did I mention I hate Corran?

When was the last time you ever saw an E-wing besides Corran. That's right, never (unless it was against a new player, or an extremely casual game, or an Epic with Etahn). Y-wings get along just fine. E-wings are unplayable. Your comparison is unfair because you're assuming an epic game. Try building a 100 point list, you'll find it much easier to build one with generic Ys then with generic Es. Ys could use some help, but Es aren't even playable. Es need the help right now, not Ys.

Y-wing needs variety, it's one of the four original Star Wars fighters and has more on-screen time than A-wing, B-wing, TIE Interceptor and TIE Bomber combined, yet those ships got ace packs and we don't even have all Y-wing pilots who have been named in the original Star Wars movie.

Right, the Y-Wing is the only wave 1 ship that didn't get new pilots for its original faction, yet. Sure, its easy to build a list with Gold Squadron Pilots, but it is way easier to do that wih Corran. Generics are not more important than characters.

Your idea is that every pilot for every ship should be viable in 100/6, but thats not realistic. Ships naturaly favour one of the ends due to their statlines and upgrades. B-Wings, Y-Wings, TIE Bombers? Keep them close to or below 25 points. E-Wings, Interceptors, T-70s? Point-fortress the hell out of them.

Ships that manage both (Defenders, JM5K) tend to be regarded as a bit too strong.

Sure, the E-Wing generics are in a bad spot (at the moment all non-EPT generics do) and I am not opposed to a fix there. Maybe some Blackmoon Ace generic that can take an EPT and a good astromech for E-Wings that Corran won't take because of regen. However the Y-Wing takes priority for me as it in general doesn't look good. R3-A2 found a new, stronger home on Gunner Braylen. TLTs work way better for Scum and even there aren't relevant with Torpscouts around.

What Y-Wings need is a cheap pilot with an ability that works well with BTL-A4, who would make a good R3-A2 carrier, and a higher PS EPT pilot that gains some lategame potential from his ability and the possibilities of those upgrades. No new generics required.

Edited by Admiral Deathrain

Y-wing needs variety, it's one of the four original Star Wars fighters and has more on-screen time than A-wing, B-wing, TIE Interceptor and TIE Bomber combined, yet those ships got ace packs and we don't even have all Y-wing pilots who have been named in the original Star Wars movie.

Yea 'cause I really want that guy that guy that had one line in movies to be in the game. My game's incomplete without him.

Sure, the E-Wing generics are in a bad spot

That's the thing, any E besides Corran HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN A BAD SPOT. Can't say the same for Y-wings.

Full disclosure I'm not saying I don't want more content for the Y-wing, I do, but it's absolutely critical for the E-wing to get content, where's the Y-wing is holding its own right now. It's the difference between releasing another pack for the B-wing before fixing the X-wing.

EDIT: I never said that every pilot in the game should be viable, but when there's only 1 for the ship, and the only reason why is because of his ability, that ship NEEDS help.

Y-wing needs variety, it's one of the four original Star Wars fighters and has more on-screen time than A-wing, B-wing, TIE Interceptor and TIE Bomber combined, yet those ships got ace packs and we don't even have all Y-wing pilots who have been named in the original Star Wars movie.

Edited by YwingAce