Well it's official:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/9/9/a-new-path-forward/

A sad day for many games and gamers, but not all that surprising given they are now more competitors than FFG only offering complementary products that didn't affect GW's market share.

Hopefully this means GW is good to its word of reintroducing/reimplementing a bunch of the specialty games they promised to last year.

All their good designers left long ago I'm not holding out much hope.

And with typical GW prices games that were £30 10 years ago will be £90+.

Hopefully this means GW is good to its word of reintroducing/reimplementing a bunch of the specialty games they promised to last year.

We already got pictures of Blood Bowl miniatures and some information for Adeptus Titanicus or whatever the titan epic version is called, though if the latter will work with a rumoured starter box without miniatures and the rest must be bought via Forgeworld and will be in resin? But then Forgewolrd is handling the Speciliast Games branch and even for Blood Bowl many things besides the teams from the starter set and some more will be resin.

And i'm not sure if that is a good idea and if the Speciliast Games will only be sold via Forgeworld with the exception of the starters maybe i'm not quite sure they will do very well.

Thank god (most of) the cthulhu mythos is in the public domain, so no-one is taking those games away from us.

Still a bummer for talisman tough , but to be honest, I picked up 5 of the big expansion, the game didn't need anything more.

Warhammer quest could have used a metric ton more expansions, but that will be replaced with the Arkham LCG now.

Dark Hersey is still around and will be for some time. The big loser though is Conquest. (I'm almost tempted to grab the core and the two big boxes and call it at that).

As for GW I hope it means they bring back their specialist games, but I doubt it. As for FFG they won't notice it. They are making $o ridiculou$ amount of ca$h from Star Wars they will be just fine without them. Hmm. there maybe an Android RPG coming up next.

As for GW I hope it means they bring back their specialist games, but I doubt it.

We already know that they are bringing back some of the old specialist games. Blood Bowl and Adeptus Titanicus are confirmed and GW itself announce work is being done on a few others already, and they reorganized to create a whole separate division devoted to FW and specialist games.

WHICH specialist games will be brought back, and when, is an open question.

I note the scale for the reincarnation of Adepts Titanicus will be 8mm. While GW do have a valid argument that it will mean the titans will be more imposing and the infantry (if they ever come as they are only planned for release as an expansion if the game is successful) will be able to have more detail... I can't help but think it is in part a deliberate plan to make none of the earlier Epic models compatible with the new system so players will be 'forced' to buy the new line... how very GW.

I take some comfort that the basic mechanics described by the designers sound encouraging. If there is one fundamentally major flaw in 40K and WHFB it is the persistence with the tired IGOUGO mechanic.

I miss my Imperator.

I note the scale for the reincarnation of Adepts Titanicus will be 8mm. While GW do have a valid argument that it will mean the titans will be more imposing and the infantry (if they ever come as they are only planned for release as an expansion if the game is successful) will be able to have more detail... I can't help but think it is in part a deliberate plan to make none of the earlier Epic models compatible with the new system so players will be 'forced' to buy the new line...

Except since space marine first came out I have heard almost nothing about titans from its player base other than the desire for "true scale" titans that would be much larger than the old "6mm" scale versions. Space marines too should be more accurate at 8mm when compared to 6mm normal humans. It is only if they actually get around to 8mm scale IG, Eldar, and Tau that scale should be a problem. Otherwise this seems like a move that should actually please all the old school epic players.

Incidentally, I heard somewhere, not sure where, that the 8mm warlord was likely to be somewhere between a 40k scale dreadnought and knight in size. So... 5" maybe? Don't know if that was pure speculation or based on actual info though.

I never played epic but I heard that the size between infantry and Titans was wrong so not everything used the same scale I do not know though if this is true.

I never played epic but I heard that the size between infantry and Titans was wrong so not everything used the same scale I do not know though if this is true.

Since titans are a fairly ridiculous concept that was invented (I think) for the original adeptus Titanicus game I don't know how they could have been "the wrong size for that scale".

As the place where warlord titans were introduced, I have always considered that the be the primary canon for how big they are and any other sources claiming they are supposed to be bigger are the ones that are wrong.

I am very much in the minority with that opinion, however, and the bulk of the epic community (which still exists after years of neglect) feels they are supposed to be much bigger.

Titanicus was the worst version of epic, people don't want just the titans they want the large infantry formations stomping down the middle while tanks sweep up the flank.

And given they'll want to sell the titans at £30ish it'll be too expensive never take off and we won't get the infantry we want.

Titanicus was the worst version of epic, people don't want just the titans they want the large infantry formations stomping down the middle while tanks sweep up the flank.

And given they'll want to sell the titans at £30ish it'll be too expensive never take off and we won't get the infantry we want.

That is certainly my opinion. But based on 25 years of comments from people, threads on the taccoms board, and the number of (and sales of) knights for 40k games, first apocalypse and now regular play, it sure doesn't seem like that is the majority opinion.

I have commented more than a couple time while watching an apocalypse game why they even bother. The infantry are so useless they could simply proxy the titan and bane blade miniatures as dreadnoughts and leman russes (lemans Russ?) and use the regular 40k rules.

I never played epic but I heard that the size between infantry and Titans was wrong so not everything used the same scale I do not know though if this is true.

Since titans are a fairly ridiculous concept that was invented (I think) for the original adeptus Titanicus game I don't know how they could have been "the wrong size for that scale".

As the place where warlord titans were introduced, I have always considered that the be the primary canon for how big they are and any other sources claiming they are supposed to be bigger are the ones that are wrong.

I am very much in the minority with that opinion, however, and the bulk of the epic community (which still exists after years of neglect) feels they are supposed to be much bigger.

I know for a fact most people don't even know that Titans derived from Knights, and that most of GW's artists don't know proper size comparisons.

90 Meters on a Imperator isn't big when you look at Armored Core and realize Motherwill is a 600 meter tall walking aircraft carrier.

Well, the markets are in no doubt as to how this move affects GW:

Stock price: GAW (LON) 521.00 GBX -15.00 (-2.80%)

I have a very large old Space Marine and Imperial Guard Epic army. Yes the Titans were always a key component, but not the dominating feature of the battle. It was great to see true battalion/regiment scale formations of infantry and armour on the table. Very few games offer that experience. Although 1d4Chan's take on 40KApoc is priceless as a money hungry attempt by GW to reimplement Epic with a massive buy in - worth a read for a laugh.

Maybe the 'original' Titans were a little off scale given there were supposed to be a few 6mm sized princeps hanging around in that small head, but hey FFG's scaling of X-Wing and Armada has been deliberately abstract when it's come to those much larger vessels.

I have hazy recollections of a friend's platoon of Eldar Exarchs bringing down a my largely undamaged Warlord Titan in hand to hand combat. That sort of fun craziness is what great tabletop gaming is all about!

Gotta love 1d4 and their GW hatred.

Gotta love 1d4 and their GW hatred.

It's one that has grown within me over the past couple of decades, and I was into them in their infancy. Sometimes the thing you love grows up to be something you hate.