When an ip license is lost - a new path forward

By ViscerothSWG, in X-Wing

Translation: "We are sick of GW's crap so were not working with them anymore, but were saying it nicely"

Actually it's "GW are arseholes and consider their IP worth a ton of gold and an oil rig. On Mars."

Because G f#$cking W!

Let's put 5 minis instead of 10 and raise price by 5%!

Ferengis ;)

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Have you never seen a Hollywood movie?

Tha Bad Guy is always British ...... or played by a British actor

What happened with the Horus Heresy boardgame?

Yeah, I keep seeing that on the used shelf at one of my FLGS. I always have a moment where I think oh a Horus Heresy boardgame that sounds interesting and then the ludicrous size of the box registers and I remember buying that would be the worst idea I've ever had and I go back to playing X-Wing.

Well, everything 40k is macro, including the boxes :P

GW didn't support Fantasy because people weren't buying as much because GW didn't support Fantasy...

Of course the real reason appears that GW simply did not have full guaranteed control of the Warhammer trademarks.

You mean those Aelves and Orruks have no relation (anymore) to Elves and Or©k's?

Gw have never done subtle, they think subtle is a euphemism for "run around bashing everything".

To be fair to them, they are under new direction/management now and the new guy seems to understand that there is this modern invention called "the internet". They seem much better at involving the player base in a positive way.

My last hope for them (from a personal PoV) is Epic/specialist games. I want my Titans back. Fingers crossed they don't screw it up!

Translation: "We are sick of GW's crap so were not working with them anymore, but were saying it nicely"

Actually it's "GW are arseholes and consider their IP worth a ton of gold and an oil rig. On Mars."

Because G f#$cking W!

Let's put 5 minis instead of 10 and raise price by 5%!

Ferengis ;)

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Have you never seen a Hollywood movie?

Tha Bad Guy is always British ...... or played by a British actor

Nonono, a GOOD villain must be british.

In that case they do act like space jew ferengi o_O

because copyrighting ELDAR word... daym, Talkien wants to rise and bash some faces in, I guess

Maybe all the timke Ferengi were performed by brits in makeup!?

W H A T A T W I S T

Edited by Warpman

Translation: "We are sick of GW's crap so were not working with them anymore, but were saying it nicely"

Actually it's "GW are arseholes and consider their IP worth a ton of gold and an oil rig. On Mars."

Because G f#$cking W!

Let's put 5 minis instead of 10 and raise price by 5%!

Ferengis ;)

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Have you never seen a Hollywood movie?

Tha Bad Guy is always British ...... or played by a British actor

Indeed, Hollywood is our guide to the current political correct target of racism.

What happened with the Horus Heresy boardgame?

Yeah, I keep seeing that on the used shelf at one of my FLGS. I always have a moment where I think oh a Horus Heresy boardgame that sounds interesting and then the ludicrous size of the box registers and I remember buying that would be the worst idea I've ever had and I go back to playing X-Wing.

I hate it when giant board games like this are 2 player only. At least Rebellion tries to make itself work for more players and has that break up phases differently. Still not enough to make me buy it, yet, but maybe some day.

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Ah, excellent. I was just thinking to myself "You know what I really want to see on the old X-Wing discussion board? Some random user being an anti-semitic bigot. Yeah, that's precisely the kind of completely acceptable and not at all abhorrent behavior that is really warranted here."

Kindly get banned and never, ever come back.

To be fair to them, they are under new direction/management now and the new guy seems to understand that there is this modern invention called "the internet". They seem much better at involving the player base in a positive way.

The new CEO is doing a lot of things better than GW has done them in more than a decade. I'm not yet convinced that it's enough to keep the ship from sinking though.

As for epic, I suspect the initial release will sell like crazy, enough for them to at Keats bring out epic space marines and chaos, but that the non titan stuff won't sell nearly as well and we are unlikely to get any of the fun armies in small scale.

GW didn't support Fantasy because people weren't buying as much because GW didn't support Fantasy...

Of course the real reason appears that GW simply did not have full guaranteed control of the Warhammer trademarks.

You mean those Aelves and Orruks have no relation (anymore) to Elves and Or©k's?

Gw have never done subtle, they think subtle is a euphemism for "run around bashing everything".

To be fair to them, they are under new direction/management now and the new guy seems to understand that there is this modern invention called "the internet". They seem much better at involving the player base in a positive way.

My last hope for them (from a personal PoV) is Epic/specialist games. I want my Titans back. Fingers crossed they don't screw it up!

If you call an echo chamber with only positive comments allowed positive, I don't myself as its the same old GW who doesn't want to hear genuine feedback.

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Ah, excellent. I was just thinking to myself "You know what I really want to see on the old X-Wing discussion board? Some random user being an anti-semitic bigot. Yeah, that's precisely the kind of completely acceptable and not at all abhorrent behavior that is really warranted here."

Kindly get banned and never, ever come back.

Yeah everyone knows the ferengi are American capitalists at their worst concerned for the bottom line only,

I just want someone to release a new RPG sourcebook.

I hate the new canon but I want a better tie-in to the series.

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Ah, excellent. I was just thinking to myself "You know what I really want to see on the old X-Wing discussion board? Some random user being an anti-semitic bigot. Yeah, that's precisely the kind of completely acceptable and not at all abhorrent behavior that is really warranted here."

Kindly get banned and never, ever come back.

Kindly stop crying about trivial ****.

Edited by incinerator950
Kindly stop crying about trivial ****.

Gosh, you're right. People being absurdly bigoted is really just "trivial", and certainly not worth calling out in an honest attempt to correct their horrific behavior and attitudes and/or remove them like the cancer they are on what should be a respectable community.

Do literally everyone a favor and leave right along with Warpman.

Yelling at them won't make them leave.

Yelling at someone on the internet only works if one of the following is true:

  • You have some sort of power over them.
  • They care what you think.
  • Your post is actually directed towards everyone else despite its outward appearance.

And while certain political issues certainly might warrant discussion, this is NOT the place for it, and the fastest way to got a thread derailed, and finally locked down by the mods.

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Anyway, while GW continues to sink quietly into the abyss, I expect this opens the doors for a lot of potential new licenses for FFG to acquire, experiment with and develop.

With titles like X-Wing, DOOM, XCOM and more in it's catalogue, FFG has a storied history with computer games licenses, maybe this would be an exciting area to develop?

I mean, who wouldn't love to see what FFG could potentially do with licenses like Mass Effect, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto, Elite, Witcher...

Didn't they already make a witcher boardgame? And i would like to have the Warcraft and Starcraft games back.

Or an A-Team boardgame.

Edited by Iceeagle85

Translation: "We are sick of GW's crap so were not working with them anymore, but were saying it nicely"

I don't think "crap" drives business decisions as much as some people think. It's more likely, "We can't hit profitability margins with the license fee GW is insisting on."

It was a mutually beneficial arrangement until it wasn't.

More like "we have the Starwars cash cow now" we dont need you..

Frees up more resources to develop the X-Wing ground game! GO GO GO WALKERS!

Frees up more resources to develop the X-Wing ground game! GO GO GO WALKERS!

Not the Pod racing game? ;)

I remember owning the Pod racing video game and i did like it.

Edited by Iceeagle85

The Ferengi are Star Trek Jews in Space and those seem to be Brits :D

Ah, excellent. I was just thinking to myself "You know what I really want to see on the old X-Wing discussion board? Some random user being an anti-semitic bigot. Yeah, that's precisely the kind of completely acceptable and not at all abhorrent behavior that is really warranted here."

Kindly get banned and never, ever come back.

Sure thing, and Tolkien Dwarves were not the Stout Bearded Mountain Jews. Ah, yes, they were. And they were cool.

What I really want to see on the old X-wing discussion board? Another whiner seeking something to be offended with.

Grow a beard, then come back.

But Returning on topic, GW are the local british Ferengi. Egoistical to the point of toppling, still able to spam everything with their fleets oversized boxes and uterly unable to evolve past the "we are cool because everyone around us isn't, because you know, we said so" attitude.

Hopefully 40k will topple just as WFB did (sorry, FB lovers, but that's a fact) and we'll see Age of teh EMPRAH. What will allow people who do have some brains and ability at game design to take matter into their hands and make us another 49th age.

Yelling at them won't make them leave.

I never expected it to. That's what the report option was used for, as I'm pretty sure that FFG is at least moderately interested in not having people spewing hateful bigoted comments on their forum.

The goal of addressing such insulting behavior directly and publicly is to educate. If people don't speak out against obvious bigotry, then some number will take it as tacit approval of such attitudes, and that is a completely unacceptable outcome.

Actually, what I am really hoping for is an FFG game in the vein of 40k, but based on the Twilight Imperium universe. It's an amazing world with a lot of potential, and with a good deal less misogyny. And no GW.

And while certain political issues certainly might warrant discussion, this is NOT the place for it, and the fastest way to got a thread derailed, and finally locked down by the mods.

So your stance is "Don't call out an anti-semite for their prejudice and insulting speech because this isn't the place for it"?

Yeah... that's not gonna happen.

This isn't "discussing a political issue", this is calling out a bigot on being a bigot, in a place where that attitude isn't even remotely welcome or appropriate.

Edited by Aaron Foss

Sweet Jesus, first of all take the fires out before your chair catches fire

and then go and educate on the matter. Sheesh, I really do understand that it's a lost generation.

Sweet Jesus, first of all take the fires out before your chair catches fire

and then go and educate on the matter. Sheesh, I really do understand that it's a lost generation.

Okay, I think I see what you were trying to say- That the Ferengi seem at least partly based on an anti-semetic stereotype (similar accusations are made about Watto). But can you see how, unless people were familiar with the "Space Jew" trope*, they might not see it that way? Instead of getting glib or defensive, just explain what you mean nest time.

*Apologies to linking to tvtropes, but it's where I became aware of the trend).

Edited by Squark