_{I would be fine with FFG using their narrative dice system (more SW version then WH) while creating a new, original fantasy setting to go with it.}

^If they woukd buy it then they will have a hell of a job making it into a human company again. I worked for that cesspool some years could not recommend against anything more than that!

If they would buy them, they would fire mostly everyone anyway, well, outside of citadel. Asmodee has their own (cesspool) network for distribution and thus does not need that part of GW at all, and most of their development teams are doing a better job too, managment of gw obviously not needed either. Overall a buyout would mean mostly just the IP. As the GW brand is damaged as well, I doubt that they would keep that either, so all the Warhammer stuff would end up part of FFG anyway.

Though did you worked in development, marketing or sales/distribution? I honestly doubt that GW distribution is that much worse than FFG/Asmodee. ;-)

I worked in store and as a regional manager thus establishing and carrying out corporate policies in stores.

I quit when they asked me to "shoot" everyone in a single store because they thought one employee MIGHT be stealing. This was common practice back then. It was also common practice to have people work 40 to 50 hours a week and then demand they paint the store mini's at home in their spare time.

I worked in store and as a regional manager thus establishing and carrying out corporate policies in stores.

I quit when they asked me to "shoot" everyone in a single store because they thought one employee MIGHT be stealing. This was common practice back then. It was also common practice to have people work 40 to 50 hours a week and then demand they paint the store mini's at home in their spare time.

Does not sound especially evil, just inefficient. Secret surveillance gear and hired surveillance seems to be a prefered solution these days, used even without suspicion, but as general corporate policy. Though I guess qualification requirement are low in a GW store and worker protection laws in the staats might make it attractive to just fire the staff of one store instead.

Unpaid overtime is for sure nothing special either. You do see worse from highly praised companies in software development.

Sounds overall a whole lot less evil than basically half the stuff in my closet. I mean sure, I like the quality that children hands guarantee for my shoes, but I guess morally that's on a whole new level even when compared to GW. ;-)

Mr Burns meets Comic Book Guy? That's how GW always comes across to me.

That's quite a generous analogy. .. TBH It's not the staff in the shops, it's the way that once Livingstone & Jackson were bought out/retired/hostile-takeover (Don't care which, as I'm unwilling to waste a few minutes of my life reading up in GW online) the company went over solely to wargaming. In the UK, once that happened we were f***** with regards to getting rpg stuff. My gaming group at the time would go shopping into Birmingham once/twice a month with those West Midlands Travel Daytripper tickets - anyone else remember them? £1 all day anywhere in the West Midlands - walking into GW back then was AWESOME..now it's AWFUL!! A few LFGS kept going and I try to support them as much as possible.

Plus the stuff they now sell for WHFB & WH40K is way overpriced as they don't outsource to the Far East.. i've still got old copies of White Dwarf magazine. The Rhino (tank thing) for WH40k was around £15 for a KIT OF THREE... now do you only get one? *facepalm* Just before the retriement/takeover GW was producing other good stuff .....

(I hear Ya! Shut up WFRP I haven't finished my rant...)

Dark Future, licences for LOADS of American rpgs, boardgames, Judge Dredd...... then it went titsupforRPGs...

WH40K and Warhammer were just badly done miniature rules to market miniatures.

I really REALLY wanted to get into warhammer, and sat down and figure out how much I would need to spend to get a standard army bought, then how much time and money painting them. Then i realized from some players that no one played my faction (high elves) because they dont use Magic.. or it wasn't a strong faction.... or even getting beaten by a mysterious errata published in a magazine that i never got and the rule books were never updated.

and... everytime they launch a new faction it REALLY sh*ts on the opposition. Necrons anyone?

I worked in store and as a regional manager thus establishing and carrying out corporate policies in stores.

I quit when they asked me to "shoot" everyone in a single store because they thought one employee MIGHT be stealing. This was common practice back then. It was also common practice to have people work 40 to 50 hours a week and then demand they paint the store mini's at home in their spare time.

Does not sound especially evil, just inefficient. Secret surveillance gear and hired surveillance seems to be a prefered solution these days, used even without suspicion, but as general corporate policy. Though I guess qualification requirement are low in a GW store and worker protection laws in the staats might make it attractive to just fire the staff of one store instead.

Unpaid overtime is for sure nothing special either. You do see worse from highly praised companies in software development.

Sounds overall a whole lot less evil than basically half the stuff in my closet. I mean sure, I like the quality that children hands guarantee for my shoes, but I guess morally that's on a whole new level even when compared to GW. ;-)

Firing 8(!) prople because you suspect one of stealing = not evil?!

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

Mr Burns meets Comic Book Guy? That's how GW always comes across to me.

This is wonderful. Except I'd throw in Otto for some heavy metal, just for flair.

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

Right, because in this economy, front-line service industry employees are just SWIMMING in job opportunities.

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

Right, because in this economy, front-line service industry employees are just SWIMMING in job opportunities.

Well, they could also Unionize.... But, back to the topic at hand (and away from politics, please) I've had nothing but negative experiences with GW at corporate and management-level. Stepping away from FFG seems to be yet another strategically poor decision, IMHO. I'm a fan of the setting and the IP, enjoy the RPG, and think the models are really well done. They're just massively overpriced and require too much of a time commitment to play - painting and assembling are not things for which I have time.

Make that a time and money commitment.

Man, the insane amounts of cash I pumped into that game...

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

You're just picking up on this?

It's technically illegal to force unpaid overtime, but people have to report it to gain protection, and there aren't a lot of opportunities at that echelon of the workforce so I envision people not wanting to rock the boat even as they are being exploited.

Make that a time and money commitment.

Man, the insane amounts of cash I pumped into that game...

I had an entire Imperial Guard Armored Legion.... Complete with super-heavies and support (ordnance tracks, reloaders, wreckers, etc.).... Time and money well spent.... Not.

Sad isn't it?!

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

You have a right to say that, but I also have a right to say you are an idiot if you think a person has the financially stability and courage to Quit when they are treated unfairly at a workplace

^Basically it is saying a company shouldn't behave in an ethical manner and if someone gets exploited it is on themselves. Pretty skewed view of corporate responsibility if you ask me.

Mr Burns meets Comic Book Guy? That's how GW always comes across to me.

Except those two actually know how to run a busines.

I worked in store and as a regional manager thus establishing and carrying out corporate policies in stores.

I quit when they asked me to "shoot" everyone in a single store because they thought one employee MIGHT be stealing. This was common practice back then. It was also common practice to have people work 40 to 50 hours a week and then demand they paint the store mini's at home in their spare time.

Does not sound especially evil, just inefficient. Secret surveillance gear and hired surveillance seems to be a prefered solution these days, used even without suspicion, but as general corporate policy. Though I guess qualification requirement are low in a GW store and worker protection laws in the staats might make it attractive to just fire the staff of one store instead.

Unpaid overtime is for sure nothing special either. You do see worse from highly praised companies in software development.

Sounds overall a whole lot less evil than basically half the stuff in my closet. I mean sure, I like the quality that children hands guarantee for my shoes, but I guess morally that's on a whole new level even when compared to GW. ;-)

Firing 8(!) prople because you suspect one of stealing = not evil?!

If that is cheaper than the loss from the thefts or finding out who steals. Yeah, not evil, just business. A business needs to run efficient, because if it does not then soon a lot more people than just eight will be sitting on the street without a job and most likely missing pay as well.

But as mentioned, I doubt that it is effective to fire 8 guys, educate 8 new guys on the job and take the hit in workflows and productivity. So it might be not evil, but it does sound stupid. It does not sound like they attracted competent employees either.

Getting back to the unpaid overtime: It does sound like an american thing to hire and fire while demanding unpaid overtime. In most places in europe this should be a risky deal for companies as ex-employees may sue them for a big fat payout of all those work hours after they got fired. The combination sounds odd, but I am not very familiar with international work protection laws. Unpaid overtime is still very common here too in certain industries, but it usually goes a long with well paid or at least well treated employees. Motivating them to drag you to court and create bad PR does not sound like a good management decision.

Unpaid 'overtime' was already 25% in store. Forcing labor at home is beyond the scope of unpaid overtime.

D#mn, some of you Americans really have a skewed sense of what is fair...

Fair doesn't enter into it... If they don't like it, there are plenty of other places to work, if they're skilled...

Right you are: It's not a matter of fair; it's outright illegal. Even if, as you seem to be, you were against employment rights, it would still be a breach of contract: The one inexcusable misdeed in a libertarian free market economy.