Hello Fellow Admirals!
I love this game and how it looks on the table. The more I look to my models though (I play Rebels exclusively) the more I get the feeling that the capital ships are out of scale. Especially the Mon Calamari origin ones (Mc 30 and 80) and the Assault Frigate. I like how these models look individually (or as a homogeneous flock AF2s with Af's, MC's with MC's) but whenever I want do deploy and kind of MC with an AF I just can't bear the sight of them on the table. The AF's just look too big and bulky, is it just me? I have not played the computer games so I have no idea how the AF should actually look like next to an MC class capital ship, they just seem wrong to the uninitiated eye 
Size Comparison Af's vs MC's
Yes. Scale is relative. The af is way too big, in a bad way. It's also ugly as ****.
Make the assault potato shorter and longer and suddenly you have a beauty.
If you wanted to go down this road, why is the CR90 not small enough to fit neatly into the hanger underneath the Imperial model? And why is the Interdictor a medium-base ship when it's bigger than the Liberty, which sits on a large-base? I think we just have to look past these minor details to the fact that this is an excellent game, both in terms of aesthetics and gameplay.
Yes. Scale is relative. The af is way too big, in a bad way.
I don't think it's a huge difference - not compared to the Corvette or the Nebulon-B.
MC30: around 580m. MC80 Liberty: around 1200m. Assault Frigate Mk 2: 700m.
Create "to scale" paper top-down view cutouts for the three: 11.6 cm MC30, 14 cm Assault Frigate, 24 cm Liberty.
Then compare to the actual models - and suddenly they don't look nearly so out-of-scale.
why is the Interdictor a medium-base ship when it's bigger than the Liberty, which sits on a large-base
Technically the Liberty model is very slightly longer than the Interdictor model - but only very slightly.
Edited by Ironlord
Armada is great and one a fine job with the models, however the scale of the Assualt II Frigate and the Cr90 is disturbingly odd. The game would have a more appealing look if the AF II would have been smaller and the CR90 tiny and a flottilla.
I'm okay with the CR90 where it is, but i agree with most everyone here: the af2 is to bulky. i understand that it needs to look the same-ish size as, say, the vsd, but it still looks far too large
those things only disturb me when I read often enough about them.
AFII: As useful as it is, I cannot bring myself to put it on the table. I'd rather lose the game than know that it was my decision which caused me have to look at it for over an hour.
I'm pretty sure that if you took some Empire At War screenshots of Assault Frigate vs Victory battles, it would look pretty close to what we'd see in Armada with actual miniatures.
I'm pretty sure that if you took some Empire At War screenshots of Assault Frigate vs Victory battles, it would look pretty close to what we'd see in Armada with actual miniatures.
You're absolutely right, but I think that the "feel" of it needs to be adjusted for the fact that it is physical. Were I the designer, I would've scaled the AF2 down to 85-90% of what it is right now - a small change, but enough of one to make all the difference.
Yes, I also agree with OP that the goldfish looks out of place even in the mix-up of ships that the rebels scavenged to form their fleets. It still keeps to the roundish conformity of rebel ships though.
Could be explained by fluff. The MkII deviated much further from the dreadnaught class than the MkI. Perhaps it can be said that while the MkI stripped its middle to save costs, the MkII schematics actually added to the dreadnaught middle(yes grew fatter), likely to house the strong Mon-Cal shield generators added on as well as more turbolasers. This thing was likely designed to lead assaults(hence the name), other than relying on Mon-Cal cruisers, and therefore made to take more punishment than to weave and dodge(cr90s and nebs).
feel free to correct my fluff
If FFG produces less roundish or similar-looking ships for the rebels in future waves(because GCW occurred everywhere with many diff resistance cells) then the MkII may not stand out so much.
Edited by MuelmuelIm not a big fan of unofficial ships, so I have no baught any custom printed ships yet. But I would buy a scaled version of the AF in a heartbeat.
As I've said in other threads. The af2 is the only real scale issue in this game.
Why does everyone hate on the AFII? I know it's subjective and if you hate it thats your choice and what not, but I personally adore the design. Very few EU Rebel ships keep to the rebel design theme of round shapes quite like AFII and end up looking more Imperial then anything. I personally don't mind the sizing of it either although it most certainly should have been smaller then it is.
You can get the Assault Frigate I through Shapeways I should know I have one and it looks very good.
As for the AFII I know it looks ugly and oversized but I still use it and it does it's job.
Michael
Why does everyone hate on the AFII? I know it's subjective and if you hate it thats your choice and what not, but I personally adore the design. Very few EU Rebel ships keep to the rebel design theme of round shapes quite like AFII and end up looking more Imperial then anything. I personally don't mind the sizing of it either although it most certainly should have been smaller then it is.
Only one engine outlet...
The raider and the CR 90 should of been floatilla sized
And the mc80 should of been given alittle more inflation with the guppy deflated a bit
You can get the Assault Frigate I through Shapeways I should know I have one and it looks very good.
As for the AFII I know it looks ugly and oversized but I still use it and it does it's job.
Michael
If you wanted to go down this road, why is the CR90 not small enough to fit neatly into the hanger underneath the Imperial model? And why is the Interdictor a medium-base ship when it's bigger than the Liberty, which sits on a large-base? I think we just have to look past these minor details to the fact that this is an excellent game, both in terms of aesthetics and gameplay.
The Interdictor is Medium most likely for game balancing. It would clock in at 12 Armor with Motti. Which is ALOT.
Why does everyone hate on the AFII? I know it's subjective and if you hate it thats your choice and what not, but I personally adore the design. Very few EU Rebel ships keep to the rebel design theme of round shapes quite like AFII and end up looking more Imperial then anything. I personally don't mind the sizing of it either although it most certainly should have been smaller then it is.
Only one engine outlet...
Yes, but that's not the real issue, I think - consider the Pelta - it too only has one engine outlet and yet it works fine - size of the one engine is an issue, but I think that could be solved another way.
The biggest issue of the AF2 is one of aesthetic balance - it's "front-heavy" - it's bulky and bulbous at the front, but it tapers down to nothing on the aft in the most anticlimactic way - the front half could be really cool and then it just peters out into nuffin-but-a-nub. At this point I often point out Vykes' kitbashes of the AF2 and how awesome they look - the addition of something on the back end really does fix 90% of the AF2's aesthetic issues.
Why does everyone hate on the AFII? I know it's subjective and if you hate it thats your choice and what not, but I personally adore the design. Very few EU Rebel ships keep to the rebel design theme of round shapes quite like AFII and end up looking more Imperial then anything. I personally don't mind the sizing of it either although it most certainly should have been smaller then it is.
(Originally posted here:)