I'm curious, would you guys think their abilities work together, or would it not since Finns result is added to the roll, but not "rolled"?

You're not rolling a dice with Finn, you're adding a blank result, so it wouldn't trigger 3PO.

I guess..? If you guess 2 evades, knowing full well that Finn is adding a blank result. So you'd be wrong every time?

C-3PO happens before dice modifications. Finn is a dice modification. No interaction

My buddy is arguing with me about this, he's quoting FAQ 4.2.1. Under "Roll Defense Dice" step, part ii. is "resolve abilities that increase or decrease the number of defense dice. He thinks that since its still in the roll dice step, it would count. I agree with Vanor that since the die isn't actually rolled, it doesn't count, based on the rules usually being very sticklerish about semantics.

My buddy is arguing with me about this, he's quoting FAQ 4.2.1. Under "Roll Defense Dice" step, part ii. is "resolve abilities that increase or decrease the number of defense dice. He thinks that since its still in the roll dice step, it would count. I agree with Vanor that since the die isn't actually rolled, it doesn't count, based on the rules usually being very sticklerish about semantics.

Dice modifications are rerolling results, changing results and adding results.

But when does C3PO trigger?

Down the rabbit hole we go...

But when does C3PO trigger?

Down the rabbit hole we go...

Threepio triggers before defense dice are rolled, and Finn is during dice modification.

Threepio allows a guess and possible added evade result that has no interaction with Finn's ability. Finn adds a blank result that Threepio has no interaction with because Treepio has (presumably) done his thing by that stage.

My buddy is arguing with me about this, he's quoting FAQ 4.2.1. Under "Roll Defense Dice" step, part ii. is "resolve abilities that increase or decrease the number of defense dice. He thinks that since its still in the roll dice step, it would count. I agree with Vanor that since the die isn't actually rolled, it doesn't count, based on the rules usually being very sticklerish about semantics.

Tell you buddy that neither ability is adding to the number of dice being rolled. They are both adding results in Step 5 - "Modify Defense Dice".

Nope. 3PO adds the die immediately after the roll, as it can be juked. But either way, finn could never affect the guess as the result he adds is blank.

Nope. 3PO adds the die immediately after the roll, as it can be juked. But either way, finn could never affect the guess as the result he adds is blank.

And it's added after the roll; while Threepio is utilised before the roll.

c3p0 specifically says on his card BEFORE you roll dice you guess aloud what you are going to roll. Not only did you not actually roll Finn's dice, but he happens at a different step.

C3P0 tells you the odds

Roll dice, odds were right and C3P0 adds an evade // C3P0 gets yelled at by Han for telling him the odds and nothing happens

Opponent mods dice

You mod dice, Finn adds blank here.

They have a step between them before they trigger. Finn does not proc C3P0

Is there a reason that C3PO can't be triggered right before you re roll the dice with Reys ability using Finn? I understand there is a difference sometimes between rolling and re rolling, but the C3PO card makes it seem possible that may be a thing.

I am thinking specifically about a situation where Rey has an Agility of 0. Rey+Expose+Finn+C3PO for example. So, I have 0 agility (so no dice actually rolled = can't trigger 3PO), then I add a blank from Finn, Trigger C3PO before I roll the added dice from Finn using Reys ability, ???

Is there a reason that C3PO can't be triggered right before you re roll the dice with Reys ability using Finn? I understand there is a difference sometimes between rolling and re rolling, but the C3PO card makes it seem possible that may be a thing.

I am thinking specifically about a situation where Rey has an Agility of 0. Rey+Expose+Finn+C3PO for example. So, I have 0 agility (so no dice actually rolled = can't trigger 3PO), then I add a blank from Finn, Trigger C3PO before I roll the added dice from Finn using Reys ability, ???

See this inconclusive 4-page argument on the topic.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/225561-rolls-rules-and-you/page-4?hl=c3po

It's not clear enough for there to be a current consensus, though my feeling is very much that rolls and rerolls are clearly distinct in the rules, and things that apply to one don't apply to the other, vis. the FAQ ruling about crits on HLC from rerolls.

In the case of the ReyPilot/Finn interaction, C3PO absolutely couldn't be used, however, as 3PO can only be used before dice modification, and adding Finn's extra blank result is a dice modification.

C-3P0 has never worked on re-rolls.

This is not a new interaction. Fat Han with C-3P0 and Lone Wolf was very popular once upon a time - and using C-3P0 on the Lone Wolf re-roll was never possible.

the shenanigans of c3p0 and lone wolf is turning 1 evade die into 2 evades.

c3p0 guess is i roll a blank. I did roll a blank, he adds an evade. Opponent doesnt mod my 1 evade and 1 blank. Now i lonewolf my 1 blank and luckily get another evade.

Doesnt work the other way around where i guess an evade, get a blank, LW into an evade and c3p0 adds his evade. The timing is different for those to interact, just like it is for Finn

They don't directly interact, but you could use them both with Rey and the old Falcon title to get four evades on your Falcon, so that's pretty nice.

evade action

get attacked by something in arc. roll 1 die, guess 0, roll blank, 3PO adds an evade

add Finn's blank

reroll both blanks into evades.

use that evade token.

and you thought Han was Fat.

Technically the current FAQ states: Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled). So until they change it Finn is useless.

Technically the current FAQ states: Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled). So until they change it Finn is useless.

where the hell do you see that?

Technically the current FAQ states: Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled). So until they change it Finn is useless.

Technically the current FAQ states: Results that are added are treated as dice results that can only be canceled (they cannot be modified or rerolled). So until they change it Finn is useless.

where the hell do you see that?

I think that was in FAQ 3.2.1 from September last year. We're up to FAQ 4.2.1 now, and that has been changed.