"Dragon sight" is on table:

1.Targaryen player declares challenge. Defender declares 1 defender. Now, can attacking player not to declare any attackers?

2. Just to be sure: after declaring attackers Greatjon still can use his ability, right?

Dragon Sight creates a lot of confusion. I'm going to describe the whole situation rather than answer your questions directly (up-front) because it's more than likely more questions will arise otherwise.

Normally, the anatomy of a challenge looks like this:

1. Initiate Challenge
1a. Attacker announces challenge type
1b. Attacker declares/kneels attacking characters.

2. Player Actions

3. Defend Challenge
3a. Attacker identifies Stealth "targets"
3b. Defender declares/kneels defending characters

4. Player Actions

5. Resolve challenge (a whole other topic)

When Dragon Sight is in play and applicable, that sequence changes to the following:

1. Initiate Challenge
1a. Attacker announces challenge type
1b. Defender declares/kneels defending characters
1c. Attacker declares/kneels attacking characters.

2. Player Actions

[3. Defend Challenge
3a. Attacker identifies Stealth "targets"]
NOTE: This technically still happens, but it is virtually meaningless.

4. Player Actions

5. Resolve challenge (a whole other topic)

So, the only thing that really changes is that declaring defenders essentially becomes part of initiating the challenge. Note that the normal things REQUIRED to initiate a challenge (announcing challenge type AND declaring attackers) still must take place. The basic rule "you must declare at least one attacking character in order to initiate a challenge" is not contradicted, suspended or superseded by anything in Dragon Sight's text.

Also note that since the opportunity to declare defenders at the "normal time" goes away, stealth essentially becomes meaningless and will not keep a defending character out of a particular challenge. Stealthing a character that is already participating as a defender will not "bounce" it out of the challenge or otherwise stop it from adding its STR as a defender.

When you take the above and apply it to the original questions, you get the following:

- The attacking player MUST declare at least one attacking character after seeing which characters will be defending. It is part of initiating the challenge (a process you started by announcing the challenge type). If you don't declare at least one attacking character, you didn't initiate the challenge. And if you didn't initiate the challenge, there is nothing for those declared defenders to be participating in. So no, Dragon Sight cannot be used to back out of kneeling attackers after seeing how big the defense will be.

- Yes, Greatjon can use his ability and jump in as a defender in either #2 or #4 above. The only thing lost is the normal opportunity to declare defenders in #3.

Hope that makes sense and that the "more information is better than less" approach wasn't too annoying.

ktom said:

Good idea. Thanks!

Hey this issue has cropped up recently in a few games. So I'm bumping this (and also asking FFG if this can be in the FAQ).