Jyn and Jan

By X Wing Nut, in X-Wing

if I put both crew cards on the Ghost will that end the world?

or

really anger hard core EU nerds?

They could have changed the names to Jan Ors and Kyle katarn and made soooo many people happy

Assign an Evade and two focus tokens. I almost think they were designed to work together :P

As for Jan Ors well Grand Admiral Thrawn had made it which gives Disney props over HBO who still refuses to acknowledged the existence of Lady Stoneheart. So it is still up in the air if Dark Forces Rebel Assault makes it into the Disney Official Cannon. ;)

Edited by Marinealver

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They could have changed the names to Jan Ors and Kyle katarn and made soooo many people happy

By "soooo many" you actually mean four people right? And then angered four more people because "they aren't like they were in the game".

I think you overestimate the number of people who actually care.

if I put both crew cards on the Ghost will that end the world?

or

really anger hard core EU nerds?

I don't think the ghost is actually a good place to put that little combo, I mean yeah you get the double firing arc for as much focus as you can BUT without an agility value in there one of those focuses will get wasted. Only way I see it doing great on the ghost is with Kannan Pilot but that's interesting yeah but not the best, I think the combo would go better on the U wing, as the U Wing has the crew slots and an agility value to boot. plus the 0 K turn will come in hand to keep enemies in that arc giving you an evade on hopefully multiple focuses.

They could have changed the names to Jan Ors and Kyle katarn and made soooo many people happy

By "soooo many" you actually mean four people right? And then angered four more people because "they aren't like they were in the game".

I think you overestimate the number of people who actually care.

I wish this were true seriously... However I am a nerd and frequenter of nerd forums, my FB newsfeed is plugged into the collective knowledge of geekdom and I see at least 8 posts a day bitching and complaining of slights, insults, retcons etc. To established canon. I think Lucasfilm changed the names in order to separate inevitable nerd rage and backlash over unfavourable EU comparisons. Do I think they went far enough? No I think Jyn Urso is a poorly disguised Jan Ors, they should have done something different entirely.

Isn't Jyn Orso (renegade fighter that joins the Rebellion) more like Kyle, and Cassian (top rebel pilot that oversees the renegade and ferries him/her around) more like Jan, tho..?

I mean, the name is clearly an homage, but the roles, if not exactly reversed, are definitely changed significantly. I'm just happy that the game managed to influence a huge hollywood movie, and hope we'll catch a glimpse of a HWK somewhere, as fan service.

if I put both crew cards on the Ghost will that end the world?

or

really anger hard core EU nerds?

So do you ship Jan or Jyn or both together?

....and hope we'll catch a glimpse of a HWK somewhere, as fan service.

Given theres supposedly a gap in the product numbering of the latest wave do you think perhaps the Raven's Claw will make a brief cameo and also be comming in a future wave?

They could have changed the names to Jan Ors and Kyle katarn and made soooo many people happy

By "soooo many" you actually mean four people right? And then angered four more people because "they aren't like they were in the game".

I think you overestimate the number of people who actually care.

You severely underestimate how many of us played and loved dark forces.

They have to change the names to avoid comparison with the EU, especially if the characters are similar to their EU counterparts. Think about it. What if they'd named Kylo Ren Jacen instead of Ben? It would make no difference for the movie, but suddenly fans would be thinking they knew what was "supposed" to happen in his story arc, basing fan theories on it ("Rey must be Jaina!!!") etc. Disney wisely avoids all that by changing the names, but keeping them close enough that EU fans can see where the inspiration came from and feel like they're being thrown a little bit of a bone in the new canon.

They have to change the names to avoid comparison with the EU, especially if the characters are similar to their EU counterparts. Think about it. What if they'd named Kylo Ren Jacen instead of Ben? It would make no difference for the movie, but suddenly fans would be thinking they knew what was "supposed" to happen in his story arc, basing fan theories on it ("Rey must be Jaina!!!") etc. Disney wisely avoids all that by changing the names, but keeping them close enough that EU fans can see where the inspiration came from and feel like they're being thrown a little bit of a bone in the new canon.

Invalid.

Source: Thrawn is canon.

Also as an EU fan, I can't speak for others but I can say that changing the names slightly just pisses me off. I'd rather have completely differently named people then someone with 2 letters changed in the name.

I always thought the name changes were to avoid copyright infringement. By creating new characters they don't need to acknowledge the creators of the original characters. Zahn still has some ownership over Thrawn which is why he's involved with him in the new canon. Maybe they weren't able (or didn't want to bother trying) to make a deal with the creators of Dark Forces for character rights.

They have to change the names to avoid comparison with the EU, especially if the characters are similar to their EU counterparts. Think about it. What if they'd named Kylo Ren Jacen instead of Ben? It would make no difference for the movie, but suddenly fans would be thinking they knew what was "supposed" to happen in his story arc, basing fan theories on it ("Rey must be Jaina!!!") etc. Disney wisely avoids all that by changing the names, but keeping them close enough that EU fans can see where the inspiration came from and feel like they're being thrown a little bit of a bone in the new canon.

Invalid.Source: Thrawn is canon.Also as an EU fan, I can't speak for others but I can say that changing the names slightly just pisses me off. I'd rather have completely differently named people then someone with 2 letters changed in the name.

I don't know why they kept Thrawn the same other than maybe he's so iconic fans would freak out more if they didn't... Honestly I was half expecting Krennec to be the nu-canon Thrawn.

They have to change the names to avoid comparison with the EU, especially if the characters are similar to their EU counterparts. Think about it. What if they'd named Kylo Ren Jacen instead of Ben? It would make no difference for the movie, but suddenly fans would be thinking they knew what was "supposed" to happen in his story arc, basing fan theories on it ("Rey must be Jaina!!!") etc. Disney wisely avoids all that by changing the names, but keeping them close enough that EU fans can see where the inspiration came from and feel like they're being thrown a little bit of a bone in the new canon.

Invalid.Source: Thrawn is canon.Also as an EU fan, I can't speak for others but I can say that changing the names slightly just pisses me off. I'd rather have completely differently named people then someone with 2 letters changed in the name.

I don't know why they kept Thrawn the same other than maybe he's so iconic fans would freak out more if they didn't... Honestly I was half expecting Krennec to be the nu-canon Thrawn.

People like Kyle and Jade are almost as iconic as Thrawn. Clearly there's a different reason why some people's names are changed, yet Thrawn remains canon.

They have to change the names to avoid comparison with the EU, especially if the characters are similar to their EU counterparts. Think about it. What if they'd named Kylo Ren Jacen instead of Ben? It would make no difference for the movie, but suddenly fans would be thinking they knew what was "supposed" to happen in his story arc, basing fan theories on it ("Rey must be Jaina!!!") etc. Disney wisely avoids all that by changing the names, but keeping them close enough that EU fans can see where the inspiration came from and feel like they're being thrown a little bit of a bone in the new canon.

Invalid.Source: Thrawn is canon.Also as an EU fan, I can't speak for others but I can say that changing the names slightly just pisses me off. I'd rather have completely differently named people then someone with 2 letters changed in the name.
I don't know why they kept Thrawn the same other than maybe he's so iconic fans would freak out more if they didn't... Honestly I was half expecting Krennec to be the nu-canon Thrawn.
People like Kyle and Jade are almost as iconic as Thrawn. Clearly there's a different reason why some people's names are changed, yet Thrawn remains canon.

Hard to imagine what that could be. Jyn and Jan are so close there had to be SOME reason they decided to change it. Maybe the director thought Jan wasn't Star Warsey enough. Someday if we get annotated screenplays and we learn more about the development, some light could be shed... Seems a bit random what's kept and what's tweaked.

I always thought the name changes were to avoid copyright infringement. By creating new characters they don't need to acknowledge the creators of the original characters. Zahn still has some ownership over Thrawn which is why he's involved with him in the new canon.

Star Wars authors have no rights to their characters. Zahn being on board is either a publicity stunt or a honest belief that only he knows Thrawn well enough to do it right.

I think you overestimate the popularity of Dark Forces. Everybody knows Thrawn, even if they haven't read one of the many books in which he appears, and the novels are much more attractive for today's audience than old videogames.

Edited by eMeM

If Jyn and Jan are on Kanan's VCX-100 and four enemy ships are in arc, do you get 3 focus and an evade? Or does the focus that Jan turns into an evade count toward Jyn's three focus limit?

Jan states:

"Once per round, when a friendly ship at Range 1-3 performs a focus action or would be assigned a focus token, you may assign it an evade token instead."

Jyn states:

"Action: Choose 1 friendly ship at Range 1-2. Assign 1 focus token to that ship for each enemy ship inside your firing arc at Range 1-3. You cannot assign more than 3 focus tokens in this way."

If Jyn and Jan are on Kanan's VCX-100 and four enemy ships are in arc, do you get 3 focus and an evade? Or does the focus that Jan turns into an evade count toward Jyn's three focus limit?

Jan states:

"Once per round, when a friendly ship at Range 1-3 performs a focus action or would be assigned a focus token, you may assign it an evade token instead."

Jyn states:

"Action: Choose 1 friendly ship at Range 1-2. Assign 1 focus token to that ship for each enemy ship inside your firing arc at Range 1-3. You cannot assign more than 3 focus tokens in this way."

I so want it to work like that.

Rules lawyers where are you

Can anyone get more than 6 focus tokens per turn for Kanan to use? Assuming Jyn on the VCX gives 3, you can get 2 from a rec spec Esege, and then your choice of Garven after an attack or Kyle in a HWK. That's 97 points.

Remember Kanan can only spend 1 Focus per attack and he has to be at range 1-2 to do it. Unless you are facing a swarm, you will struggle to spend all those Focus tokens.

Maybe if he has a TLT and docked Phantom but then you have even fewer points for the rest of the squad.

Edited by Karhedron