I am wondering if the second paragraph of Deadeye (see below in blue ) works on Norras pilot ability.

Deadeye:

You may treat the "ATTACK (TARGET LOCK):" header as ' "ATTACK (FOCUS):" .

When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead.

Norra:

"When attacking or defending, you may spend a target lock you have on the enemy ship to add 1 Focus result to your roll."

Add a Recon Specialist and call it a day.

I don't think this works. The condition is specifically "When an attack instructs". Norra's pilot ability isn't an attack, it's a thing that can trigger while attacking. I definitely had to stop and think about it for a while, though.

Someone correct me: Didn't they FAQ it so that you cannot spend two focus tokens in the same attack?

Someone correct me: Didn't they FAQ it so that you cannot spend two focus tokens in the same attack?

Someone correct me: Didn't they FAQ it so that you cannot spend two focus tokens in the same attack?

Not quite. They FAQd that you cannot spend 2 focuses for the same effect in the same attack (such as triggering calculation twice, or spending two evades for 2 evade results), but you CAN spend 2 focuses for different effects.

Sadly, Norra's ability isn't an attack header, so Deadeye doesn't work.

You cannot spend two tokens to do what the tokens are designed to do (i.e. change focus results into hits/evade, or add two evade results with two evade tokens). Nothing prevents you from one focus token as intended and another to trigger a card effect.

Sadly, Norra's ability isn't an attack header, so Deadeye doesn't work.

"attack headers" but also triggers "if an attack instructs you to spend a TL".

Sadly, Norra's ability isn't an attack header, so Deadeye doesn't work.

The second paragraph of deadeye is independent from the first, desdeye is not restrained to

"attack headers" but also triggers "if an attack instructs you to spend a TL".

Edit: minor text fixes

I only said that it does not only work for "attack header" triggers

I am open on the Norra case.

Nora's ability is not 'an attack' so Deadeye does not apply.

Point tsken.

On the other hand it is part of the attack and it instructs you to spend a TL.

Point tsken.

On the other hand it is part of the attack and it instructs you to spend a TL.

So your argument is flawed, Attack(Target Lock) is not the same as Attacking and spending a target lock. What you imply when you make these the same is that when a ship has deadeye he can use his focus as a target lock in all situations, which is not the case here.

Good Try though.

Point tsken.

On the other hand it is part of the attack and it instructs you to spend a TL.

So your argument is flawed, Attack(Target Lock) is not the same as Attacking and spending a target lock. What you imply when you make these the same is that when a ship has deadeye he can use his focus as a target lock in all situations, which is not the case here.

Good Try though.

The OPs combo would work ONCE for a torpedo attack if you had an existing Target Lock.

Focus action yields 2 tokens.

Torpedo attack-deadeye-use focus-launch torp.

Spend TL to add focus result to die roll

Spend last focus to convert eyeballs to hit

Point tsken.

On the other hand it is part of the attack and it instructs you to spend a TL.

So your argument is flawed, Attack(Target Lock) is not the same as Attacking and spending a target lock. What you imply when you make these the same is that when a ship has deadeye he can use his focus as a target lock in all situations, which is not the case here.

Good Try though.

There is no specific wording on the card:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead."

Nora's ability is not an attack. You're not spending a target lock to perform an attack, you're spending it to trigger her special ability. Deadeye has no effect on that.

Deadeye is very specific. It changes the requirements of a secondary weapon card with the "Attack (target lock):" header to allow you to be able to spend a focus token to initiate the attack instead. That's all. It does NOT include the ability to spend a focus token instead of a target lock for any other reason.

Norra's ability is also very specific, in that it requires a target lock to be spent in order to add a focus result, not a focus token spent. Deadeye doesn't change Norra's ability, only "Attack (target lock):" header cards.

You can't simply apply the explanation sentence of an upgrade card in the hope that it will alter the pilot ability .

Point tsken.

On the other hand it is part of the attack and it instructs you to spend a TL.

So your argument is flawed, Attack(Target Lock) is not the same as Attacking and spending a target lock. What you imply when you make these the same is that when a ship has deadeye he can use his focus as a target lock in all situations, which is not the case here.

Good Try though.

Why does it need to be worded "Attack(Target Lock)?

There is no specific wording on the card:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead."

Nora's ability is not an attack. You're not spending a target lock to perform an attack, you're spending it to trigger her special ability. Deadeye has no effect on that.

Maybe you have this impression because I did not lay out my explanation clear enough as I feel that most of the answers are not taking it into consideration either.

Your quote from DailyRich is the perfect example where I feel we are talking past each other.

To me Deadeye has two different, independent Triggers. It is either:

"You may treat the "ATTACK (TARGET LOCK):" header as ' "ATTACK (FOCUS):" .

Which for my explanation is totally irrelevant, but most of the answers are focusing on.

I am arguing from the second trigger on the card:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

Per the rules an attack is composed of the following steps:

1) Declare Target

2) Roll Attack Dice

3) Modify Attack Dice

4) Roll Defense Dice

5) Modify Defense Dice

6) Compare results

7) Deal Damage

Norras abiltiy triggers during step 3) Modify Attack Dice is a part of the Attack and should therefore meet the requirements of Deadeye:
" When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

You can't simply apply the explanation sentence of an upgrade card in the hope that it will alter the pilot ability .

Never read it as an explanation sentence but as a separate trigger, maybe I am misconceiving this but then the "explanation" would open up more possibilities to use Deadeye than the "rules" part.

Nora's ability is not an attack,and it is not instructing you to spend a lock. If you're gonna be picky about the words, you have to be picky about all of them, not just the ones that make your interpretation work

Maybe you have this impression because I did not lay out my explanation clear enough as I feel that most of the answers are not taking it into consideration either.

Your quote from DailyRich is the perfect example where I feel we are talking past each other.

To me Deadeye has two different, independent Triggers. It is either: No, it doesn't.

"You may treat the "ATTACK (TARGET LOCK):" header as ' "ATTACK (FOCUS):" .

Which for my explanation is totally irrelevant, but most of the answers are focusing on.

That's because Deadeye does ONE thing - changes the cost of performing a secondary weapon attack from spending a target lock to spending a focus token as required in Step 1.iv for any secondary weapon that has an "Attack (target lock):" header.

I am arguing from the second trigger on the card:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

Per the rules an attack is composed of the following steps:

1) Declare Target

2) Roll Attack Dice

3) Modify Attack Dice

4) Roll Defense Dice

5) Modify Defense Dice

6) Compare results

7) Deal Damage

Norras abiltiy triggers during step 3) Modify Attack Dice is a part of the Attack and should therefore meet the requirements of Deadeye:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

You can't simply apply the explanation sentence of an upgrade card in the hope that it will alter the pilot ability .

Never read it as an explanation sentence but as a separate trigger, maybe I am misconceiving this but then the "explanation" would open up more possibilities to use Deadeye than the "rules" part.

Deadeye's only trigger point is at Step 1.iv - "Declare Target", pay cost to perform the attack. Once it's triggered, you spend your focus token instead of a target lock and it's now fully resolved . It does not have an ongoing effect. Norra's ability triggers in Step 3.ii of the attack or Step 5.ii of a defence. Deadeye doesn't apply in defence, so we can ignore any interaction there.

Now as you've stated more than once, Deadeye's explanation sentence states " When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead. "

Just where in Norra's ability are you being instructed to spend a target lock? It says you may spend a target lock and "may" in X-wing is a player option, NOT an instruction .

You can argue this one all you like, but more than half a dozen answers that say you're wrong should be an indicator that this does not work like you think it does. But don't let us persuade you otherwise, email FFG and ask them. Just be sure to post the answer here.

Why not weapons engineer and keep the ept open? As many have already pointed out, conditions aren't right for the deadeye combo.

Nora's ability is not an attack,and it is not instructing you to spend a lock. If you're gonna be picky about the words, you have to be picky about all of them, not just the ones that make your interpretation work

I am not a native speaker so looking up the meaning of "instruct" led me to read it as "if an attack specifies" - which might just be completely wrong

Maybe you have this impression because I did not lay out my explanation clear enough as I feel that most of the answers are not taking it into consideration either.

Your quote from DailyRich is the perfect example where I feel we are talking past each other.

To me Deadeye has two different, independent Triggers. It is either: No, it doesn't.

"You may treat the "ATTACK (TARGET LOCK):" header as ' "ATTACK (FOCUS):" .

Which for my explanation is totally irrelevant, but most of the answers are focusing on.

That's because Deadeye does ONE thing - changes the cost of performing a secondary weapon attack from spending a target lock to spending a focus token as required in Step 1.iv for any secondary weapon that has an "Attack (target lock):" header.

I am arguing from the second trigger on the card:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

Per the rules an attack is composed of the following steps:

1) Declare Target

2) Roll Attack Dice

3) Modify Attack Dice

4) Roll Defense Dice

5) Modify Defense Dice

6) Compare results

7) Deal Damage

Norras abiltiy triggers during step 3) Modify Attack Dice is a part of the Attack and should therefore meet the requirements of Deadeye:

"When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock , you may spend a focus token instead."

You can't simply apply the explanation sentence of an upgrade card in the hope that it will alter the pilot ability .

Never read it as an explanation sentence but as a separate trigger, maybe I am misconceiving this but then the "explanation" would open up more possibilities to use Deadeye than the "rules" part.

Deadeye's only trigger point is at Step 1.iv - "Declare Target", pay cost to perform the attack. Once it's triggered, you spend your focus token instead of a target lock and it's now fully resolved . It does not have an ongoing effect. Norra's ability triggers in Step 3.ii of the attack or Step 5.ii of a defence. Deadeye doesn't apply in defence, so we can ignore any interaction there.

Now as you've stated more than once, Deadeye's explanation sentence states " When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead. "

Just where in Norra's ability are you being instructed to spend a target lock? It says you may spend a target lock and "may" in X-wing is a player option, NOT an instruction .

You can argue this one all you like, but more than half a dozen answers that say you're wrong should be an indicator that this does not work like you think it does. But don't let us persuade you otherwise, email FFG and ask them. Just be sure to post the answer here.

As I said before I feel the "dozen" answers were not considering my line of argumentation at all.

I just do not share your interpretation that the second paragraph of Deadeye is just an explanation.

As mentioned above I see the difficulties with "instruct".

Why not weapons engineer and keep the ept open? As many have already pointed out, conditions aren't right for the deadeye combo.

With PS7 it is difficult to get a TL at all in the first engagement vs higher PS Pilots, Deadeye/Recoon Spec would solve this issue.

Nora's ability is not an attack,and it is not instructing you to spend a lock. If you're gonna be picky about the words, you have to be picky about all of them, not just the ones that make your interpretation work

I am not a native speaker so looking up the meaning of "instruct" led me to read it as "if an attack specifies" - which might just be completely wrong

It is. If it had meant that, it would have said that.

It doesn't.

A: Nora's ability is not itself an attack. An attack is something that says 'Attack:' at the top.

B: Nora's ability doesn't instruct you to spend a TL, it allows you to.

Deadeye doesn't interact with it any more than it does with the regular rerolling usage of a TL. Which is to say, not at all.

Your suggestion that your arguments were not being taken into account, by the way, is wrong. They were, they were being argued against, because they were incorrect.

Nora's ability is not an attack,and it is not instructing you to spend a lock. If you're gonna be picky about the words, you have to be picky about all of them, not just the ones that make your interpretation work

I am not a native speaker so looking up the meaning of "instruct" led me to read it as "if an attack specifies" - which might just be completely wrong

As I said before I feel the "dozen" answers were not considering my line of argumentation at all.

I just do not share your interpretation that the second paragraph of Deadeye is just an explanation.

As mentioned above I see the difficulties with "instruct".

The thing is, the dozen or so answers were all telling you the same thing: that your interpretation or your line of thinking was wrong. It's not the way it works at all. I'm sure everyone that's answered here has considered your argument, and we're all trying to tell you the same thing. You're just unwilling to accept that you may be the one that is wrong here.

Missiles and torpedoes that " instruct " you to spend your target lock are saying that you must spend the target lock so that you can make this attack. The sole use of the target lock here is to enable the attack, not for dice modification. Replace the word "instruct" with "tells you" and it might make more sense, as in " when an attack tells you to spend a target lock... ". The word " may " isn't used on missiles and torpedoes with this phrase, so the spending of the token is not an option - you must do it to perform the attack or there is no attack.

Now with Deadeye, you are given the choice (when you use Deadeye), to spend a focus token instead of a target lock so that you can make that attack. The second sentence is connected to the first and it is not a separate condition, or trigger for other token spending later. The only thing Deadeye is doing is changing the cost of the attack (from TL to focus token). Deadeye does not have anything to do with dice modifications later in the attack because it is resolved and finished with, in Step 1.iv, so there's no way it will allow you spend a focus token instead of a target lock during Step 3.ii.

Norra's ability is a dice modification - adding a result. It doesn't trigger in Step 1.iv.

I have another question: is X-wing available in your native language? And if it is, what do the Deadeye and missile/torpedo cards say?

You're right. There are two separate things on that card. However, as of right now, there is NO existing card that fits the second clause without also fitting the first.

When an attack instructs you to spend a target lock, you may spend a focus token instead.

An attack is a VERY specific thing. In this case, it only applies to cards with the attack header. Say if they released a cannon with an optional effect that lets you spend a target lock to add a hit. In that case, deadeye would allow you to spend a focus token instead, even though it doesn't have an attack (target lock) header.

Norra's ability is NOT an attack. It is a pilot ability. The fact that it happens during an attack is irrelevant.