Yesterday in my regular gaming group a question on usage of the Transport Glyphs in Ritual of Shadows came up:

Are figures allowed to move into spaces with these glyphs and teleport to another glyph in line of sight, if a friendly figure is standing on the first glyph? Likewise, can a figure teleport from glyphs A>B>C if B is occupied by a friendly figure?

Here is the relevant passage of the questbook. It states that a figures has to be "standing on a glyph of transport". It was discussed that moving through is not "standing".

I would say that the target space with the glyph has to be empty.

Reasoning:

Step 1: You need to stand on the glyph to activate it.

Step 2: Check the conditions for the teleport (i.e. choose a target glyph).

Step 3: Spend 1 movement point for the teleport.

If you want to teleport to another glyph, start with step 1 again.

So what happens if the target glyph is occupied? Since the rules don't say how that works, I think there are two possibilities:

1) You cannot teleport to that glyph

2) You can teleport and your figure is placed at the nearest empty space (This rule is very often explicitly used in quests where tokens mark secret passages)

In either case you cannot teleport a second time, except you have a way clear the space of the token.

Your reasoning would prohibit teleporting from a glyph that is occupied by a figure in general, right?

Yes exactly. So Duric wouln't be able to teleport using his heroic feat.

Yeah, however the text just states that for movement, spaces with glyphs of transport are adjacent (if LOS is given). No action is needed to interrupt your movement and interact with the glyph. Maybe you could say that checking LOS is not possible on an occupied space, but I could not find anything in the rulebook on that.

For everything below, the hero is trting to teleport from A to C, with B between them.

1) Glyphs do not block movement or LOS, i.e. a space with just a glyph is "empty".

2) For teleportation only, figures of any side never block LOS. You really are only asking if there are no obstacles or black lines between them.

3) The hero can teleport from A to C if a hero is standing on C, or a monster can teleport from A to C if a monster is on C. This is no different than a hero moving into an adjacent space (as stated in tge paragraph above). So, as long as the figure is moving through and not ending his movement in the blocked space, it is allowed.

4) Unlike "3", I do not think a hero (or monster) can teleport from A if A is occupied. "Standing in" is not the most technical term, but I take it to mean occupying. That is, because it is a special ability for a quest, it seems to me that the initial MP spend is an interrupt. You can't interrupt in an occupied space.

If FFG says the MP spending for glyph transport is not an interrupt (but is jst the smooth continuation of movement loke any other MP spending) it could be done totally as if glyphs were adjacent spaces (Durik could do it with an extra MP of a monster were there, and anyone could do it with a friendly figure).

Points 1-3 stand regardless of whether or not teleportation is an interrupt. Also, pretty sure this is "Monster's hoard".

Yeah, however the text just states that for movement, spaces with glyphs of transport are adjacent (if LOS is given). No action is needed to interrupt your movement and interact with the glyph. Maybe you could say that checking LOS is not possible on an occupied space, but I could not find anything in the rulebook on that.

You do not need to perform an action to interrupt movement, you can also do things like Prayer of Healing etc.

For everything below, the hero is trting to teleport from A to C, with B between them.

1) Glyphs do not block movement or LOS, i.e. a space with just a glyph is "empty".

2) For teleportation only, figures of any side never block LOS. You really are only asking if there are no obstacles or black lines between them.

3) The hero can teleport from A to C if a hero is standing on C, or a monster can teleport from A to C if a monster is on C. This is no different than a hero moving into an adjacent space (as stated in tge paragraph above). So, as long as the figure is moving through and not ending his movement in the blocked space, it is allowed.

4) Unlike "3", I do not think a hero (or monster) can teleport from A if A is occupied. "Standing in" is not the most technical term, but I take it to mean occupying. That is, because it is a special ability for a quest, it seems to me that the initial MP spend is an interrupt. You can't interrupt in an occupied space.

If FFG says the MP spending for glyph transport is not an interrupt (but is jst the smooth continuation of movement loke any other MP spending) it could be done totally as if glyphs were adjacent spaces (Durik could do it with an extra MP of a monster were there, and anyone could do it with a friendly figure).

Points 1-3 stand regardless of whether or not teleportation is an interrupt. Also, pretty sure this is "Monster's hoard".

Thanks for all answers. Will send the question to FFG as it is very important especially for OL strategy.

And ... right, of course it is Monsters Hoard not Ritual of Shadows.

Here is Nathan's answer.

Question:

In encounter 2 of the quest The Monster's Hoard (Shadow Rune campaign) Glyps of Transport play an important role. I understand that a monster standing on a glyph can move to another glyph in line of sight as if it was adjacent. Are figures allowed to move into spaces with these glyphs and move to another glyph in line of sight, if a friendly figure is standing on the first glyph? Likewise, can a figure move from glyph A to B to C (spending 2 movement points in the process) if B is occupied by a friendly figure?

Answer:

Because the rules do not state that the space being moved to does not need to be unoccupied, the monsters can move there if it is occupied by a friendly figure.

Thanks!

Nathan Hajek
Game Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

Here is Nathan's answer.

Question:

In encounter 2 of the quest The Monster's Hoard (Shadow Rune campaign) Glyps of Transport play an important role. I understand that a monster standing on a glyph can move to another glyph in line of sight as if it was adjacent. Are figures allowed to move into spaces with these glyphs and move to another glyph in line of sight, if a friendly figure is standing on the first glyph? Likewise, can a figure move from glyph A to B to C (spending 2 movement points in the process) if B is occupied by a friendly figure?

Answer:

Because the rules do not state that the space being moved to does not need to be unoccupied, the monsters can move there if it is occupied by a friendly figure.

Thanks!

Nathan Hajek

Game Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

Wow... that's... absurd. Monsters cannot move through heroes. Treating the glyphs as adjacent spaces would prevent the monster from passing through the adjacent space. The "as if it were adjacent" part would refer you back to the main rules, which state a monster cannot move through an adjacent space if it is occupied by a hero. It seems like he should be saying that a hero can move through the glyph if a hero was occupying it, or a monster could move through it if a monster was occupying it. But his actual statement makes no sense.

Treating the glyphs as adjacent spaces would prevent the monster from passing through the adjacent space. The "as if it were adjacent" part would refer you back to the main rules, which state a monster cannot move through an adjacent space if it is occupied by a hero. It seems like he should be saying that a hero can move through the glyph if a hero was occupying it, or a monster could move through it if a monster was occupying it. But his actual statement makes no sense.

Which is exactly why he says "by a friendly figure."..

Treating the glyphs as adjacent spaces would prevent the monster from passing through the adjacent space. The "as if it were adjacent" part would refer you back to the main rules, which state a monster cannot move through an adjacent space if it is occupied by a hero. It seems like he should be saying that a hero can move through the glyph if a hero was occupying it, or a monster could move through it if a monster was occupying it. But his actual statement makes no sense.

Which is exactly why he says "by a friendly figure."..

Oh good lord, friendly to the MONSTER . Haha. I'll shut up now.

Is there anyway to remove my post and act like I never opened my stupid mouth?

You can click "Edit" and then use the strikethrough effect (to the left of underline), or you can replace the post with something like "EDIT: I misunderstood, nothing to see here". Quotes are forever, unfortunately- you can't remove what you said from other people's posts.

If this was the imperial assault forum, you could try and Jedi Mind trick us into forgetting your post, but unless you're the Ovelord and you have Dark Charm for all of us and we all fail our attribute test, you're stuck with it.