Hi everyone, yesterday we played the story mission "drawn in" from the core set,

The imperial player at the end of each round had to choose an option from the event "subdue" and he choose the third one: 1threat: choose 1 group of stormtrooper, each figure in that group may perform 1 move or 1 attack.

He used this on heavy stormtrooper. Is that correct? i looked into the RRG and the only thing i Found about deployment cards name is

RRG Elite:

Elite deployment cards share the same name as regular Deployment cards. When a figure is called out by name (for example "Stormtrooper") this refer to both regular and elite versione of this figure.

So, he won with that free attack with heavy stormtrooper, without that we would have won with our first activation at the beginning of the round.

Do we have to replay the mission if the IP used the rule in the wrong way?

Stormtrooper is a "trait" in this case. Any group made up of Stormtroopers can be chosen, including Heavy Stormtroopers or even an E-web Blaster. So, no, the IP player did it correctly and the rebels lost right at the last moment. What a shock...welcome to Imperial Assault - Rebels lose.

There is no Stormtrooper trait. There is Trooper trait.

Only a "Stormtrooper" group can be used. Either a regular or elite Stormtrooper group.

Heavy Stormtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Snowtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

E-Web Engineer groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Kayn Somos has Trooper, but is not a Stormtrooper group.

Wing Guard groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

There is no Stormtrooper trait. There is Trooper trait.

Only a "Stormtrooper" group can be used. Either a regular or elite Stormtrooper group.

Heavy Stormtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Snowtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

E-Web Engineer groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Kayn Somos has Trooper, but is not a Stormtrooper group.

Wing Guard groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Hang on...Heavy Stormtrooper - with Stormtrooper IN his name - doesn't count as a Stormtrooper group? Where are you getting this?

There is no Stormtrooper trait. There is Trooper trait.

Only a "Stormtrooper" group can be used. Either a regular or elite Stormtrooper group.

Heavy Stormtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Snowtrooper groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

E-Web Engineer groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Kayn Somos has Trooper, but is not a Stormtrooper group.

Wing Guard groups have Trooper, but are not Stormtrooper groups.

Hang on...Heavy Stormtrooper - with Stormtrooper IN his name - doesn't count as a Stormtrooper group? Where are you getting this?

Stormtrooper is in the name Heavy Stormtrooper, but that doesn't make it a Stormtrooper group. It makes it a Heavy Stormtrooper group. The mission rules seem to be specifically referencing the deployment card named "Stormtrooper." Otherwise they would say "Choose one Trooper group" or "Choose one group with 'Stormtrooper' in its name".

As a side note, the word "trooper" now sounds ridiculous in my head

Already quoted in the OP.

When a figure is called out by name (for example, "Stormtrooper"), this refers to both regular and elite versions of this figure.

The mission rule refers to a deployment card named "Stormtrooper" by using Stormtrooper group". It does not refer to a trait, because then it would refer to Trooper (including italics).

The To The Last Man (Vader's Fist) and ISB Enforcers (Imperial Security Bureay) agenda cards also refer to Stormtrooper instead of Trooper. There is nothing in the rules that would allow you to use a "Heavy Stormtrooper" deployment card when a rule specifically refers to a "Stormtrooper" deployment card.

Already quoted in the OP.

When a figure is called out by name (for example, "Stormtrooper"), this refers to both regular and elite versions of this figure.

The mission rule refers to a deployment card named "Stormtrooper" by using Stormtrooper group". It does not refer to a trait, because then it would refer to Trooper (including italics).

The To The Last Man (Vader's Fist) and ISB Enforcers (Imperial Security Bureay) agenda cards also refer to Stormtrooper instead of Trooper. There is nothing in the rules that would allow you to use a "Heavy Stormtrooper" deployment card when a rule specifically refers to a "Stormtrooper" deployment card.

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view, but good news for the OP - yes, your Imperial player did cheat to win, although probably unintentionally.

It's not cheating if it's not intentional. It's just a mistake.

But, if you replay it, then the rebels would be knowing the events and have easier time. So just carry on and be a little older and wiser for it.

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view

If Darth Vader asks you to send him a Stormtrooper squad, which group are you sending?

The guys in white armor.

me: "But Lord Vader, these guys are Stormtroopers, too...I just thought...*GACKAGACKK* STOP CHOKING ME..."

Vader: "I find your lack of Rules Lawyering disturbing, Also, I'm a huge fan of FFG's games, since they design all their Star Wars products to give the Imperials the advantage."

Already quoted in the OP.

When a figure is called out by name (for example, "Stormtrooper"), this refers to both regular and elite versions of this figure.

The mission rule refers to a deployment card named "Stormtrooper" by using Stormtrooper group". It does not refer to a trait, because then it would refer to Trooper (including italics).

The To The Last Man (Vader's Fist) and ISB Enforcers (Imperial Security Bureay) agenda cards also refer to Stormtrooper instead of Trooper. There is nothing in the rules that would allow you to use a "Heavy Stormtrooper" deployment card when a rule specifically refers to a "Stormtrooper" deployment card.

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view, but good news for the OP - yes, your Imperial player did cheat to win, although probably unintentionally.

It is a distinction that must be made for the sake of the game, though. While it may seem counter-intuitive from an initial glance, by not making that sort of distinction, it can cause havoc with a rule set. It opens the game up to potential abuse, misunderstandings, and potential dropped games.

So, while Heavy Stormtroopers are, technically, stormtroopers, the rules distinguish them as their own entity versus "Stormtroopers"

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view

If Darth Vader asks you to send him a Stormtrooper squad, which group are you sending?

Either jet pack troopers as they'll get there faster, or the most insubordinate ones that I want force choked.

Either jet pack troopers as they'll get there faster, or the most insubordinate ones that I want force choked.

Darth Vader doesn't force choke stormtroopers, he force chokes commanders that screw up the mission by making bad decisions...

Wow...heavy Stormtroopers are not Stormtroopers in this game? Huh, that's pretty counter-intuitive from a Star Wars fan point of view

If Darth Vader asks you to send him a Stormtrooper squad, which group are you sending?

Either jet pack troopers as they'll get there faster, or the most insubordinate ones that I want force choked.

Interesting! That is the same for me in either case.

Thanks for the reply!

We decided with the imperial player to cancel the reward for the winning faction, taking only the optional reward, and also we are going to play the next mission as the rebel won instead of the empire. that was the only way we found equal for both IP and rebel's without taking big advantages

Thanks for the reply!

We decided with the imperial player to cancel the reward for the winning faction, taking only the optional reward, and also we are going to play the next mission as the rebel won instead of the empire. that was the only way we found equal for both IP and rebel's without taking big advantages

So, you are saying you made the rebels win. Do you expect your IP is cheating? Because it sounds like an honest mistake and you are punishing him for that.