well, PTL pattern analyzer

or predator

lots of people still stuck with VI poe as if Hotr never happened

still think Miranda is overall superior, but Poe's not bad. You just gotta not throw his ass into range 1 of Rau as if anyone could be reasonably expected to not get savaged by that without considerable luck

Poe at range 3 is also a right ***** to do any damage to, and I havn't really seen hotshot on anything other than on an easily focused deci

poe bb8 tpl eu

turn a green barrel roll, push for a boost, fly green get rid of stress and then take your action if you fly well the defenders shouldn't get you in r1 where they want to have you

I think the only Poe I'd consider running now would be the BB-8 style. R5-P9 limits him too much around what he can do, and failing so hard against HSCP isn't a great idea right now (and especially when FOTM Kylo Ren shows up).

You can load Poe up and up with more points, sure, but then when he gets too pricey he's just a bad Corran Horn.

poe bb8 tpl eu

turn a green barrel roll, push for a boost, fly green get rid of stress and then take your action if you fly well the defenders shouldn't get you in r1 where they want to have you

EU = Engine Upgrade?

poe bb8 tpl eu

turn a green barrel roll, push for a boost, fly green get rid of stress and then take your action if you fly well the defenders shouldn't get you in r1 where they want to have you

EU = Engine Upgrade?

That'd be a waste of points.

poe bb8 tpl eu

turn a green barrel roll, push for a boost, fly green get rid of stress and then take your action if you fly well the defenders shouldn't get you in r1 where they want to have you

EU = Engine Upgrade?

That'd be a waste of points.

Hence the question mark.

Yeah,

Poe is too pricey in current meta in comparison to what he does - but it is a problem of many Rebel "wingmans". Those small fighters are just too pricey.

My guess is their value was set in times when you had to pay for upgrade slots.

Miranda and Corran straight up outclasses him. And BB-8 version will soon die to Kylo Ren condition cards.

Put determination on him and laugh at emo-Vader wannabe.

Put determination on him and laugh at emo-Vader wannabe.

Yeah, but instead of Corran with Determination, his damage output is laughable then.

Ummm...why is Poe flying with BB-8 and jousting a TIE Defender?! Good grief, the whole POINT of BB-8 is that he dodges out of your arc after you've moved, so you never get to shoot him...

Also this. If BB-8 Poe does ever make the jump, it will be because of high level flying making up for the loss of regen. Sounds like the scenario you pointed out was piloting error.

This. I ran BB-8 Poe with pattern analyzer/PTL and it was a dream to fly... until I took a 2 straight instead of a one, bumped, and lost my action, leaving quick draw an easy kill... (Yep, 1 round of shooting was all it took to kill tokenless poe...)

He's a glass cannon without regen, but he's a fun glass cannon. Pattern analyzer is fun.

Poe still has a better pilot ability than Luke and arguably better than Vader. Because someone at FFG thought THAT was a GREAT idea. Good job play testers that let that one through.

I dunno, he certainly looked like a better pilot. The other two basically flew straight all the time.

Poe still has a better pilot ability than Luke and arguably better than Vader. Because someone at FFG thought THAT was a GREAT idea. Good job play testers that let that one through.

errr, incorrect

luke's ability is objectively superior

because if they both have focus, Luke gets the same benefits as Poe except he can spend his focus on offense and not give a ****

if they don't have focus for any number of reasons (Stress/blocking/obstacles/hotshot etc.), Luke gets his ability and Poe does not

ito benefit (1 focus --> result) they are literally the same, Luke's is just by far more flexible

Poe has the better ship

Poe has the better ship

For the specific role of an expensive regen ship that is

I like Poe (R2D2, VI, Sensor Cluster, Autothrusters) teamed with Rey, at Range 2/3 I have found him very reliable and tanky; obviously "meta" is dependent on the area you play but Poe is very successful, although I have been running Lothal/Rey lately; I still run Poe as my number one wingman to Rey. If you can keep Poe at range 2/3 I believe he is very formiable. All I see now is a reputation and because of it he's being under-appreciated.

Poe has the better ship

For the specific role of an expensive regen ship that is

well, in every regard except for point efficiency, which is even more down the drain than the vanilla X

Wow this is a blast from the past, can't say my opinions changed though I've now faced ps9 Poe with title and he was still the least threatening thing in the list.

I like Poe (R2D2, VI, Sensor Cluster, Autothrusters) teamed with Rey, at Range 2/3 I have found him very reliable and tanky; obviously "meta" is dependent on the area you play but Poe is very successful although I have been running Lothal/Rey lately; I still run Poe as my number wingman to Rey. If you can keep Poe at range 2/3 I believe he is very formiable. All I see now is a reputation and because of it he's being underappreciated

Indeed. Pairing up Poe's ability with Sensor Clusters to get two uses out of the same token on the same roll strikes me as a nice trick. Shame it eats the same slot as pattern analyser, though. Could do the same with weapons guidance, but Poe is generally firing first, defending second.

The one-focus-to-evade ability is only so-so these days because generally you're not looking at 8 TIE fighters or z-95s shooting 2-dice attacks at you; it's 2-3 heavily modified attacks.

I still like poe woth VI, r5-P9 and AT. Cheap(ish), survivable and hits hard when positioned right. Pairs nicely with Corran a-la Nathan Eide.

Still flu that list with decent success.

I would say the one-focus-to-evade trick is going to be better against a smaller number of attacks since once it is gone, its gone!

After last tournament, i think Poe lost it for me now. He becomes were expensive if you deck him out and not that impressive damage output still. Also in current meta, he can be taken of the board in one round too easy also.

I want still to run him, but right now don't see a point in it.

I would say the one-focus-to-evade trick is going to be better against a smaller number of attacks since once it is gone, its gone!

I know. But what I mean is, the advantage of a partial, permanent focus is probably more against a slew of weak attacks rather than one or two big attacks - which, sadly, is the norm these days.

Poe, unlike Luke, does get a slight advantage here - from his ship, rather more than his ability.

Luke can spend his focus when attacking (or just target lock!), and use his ability when defending.

Poe can use his ability when attacking, then use his ability when defending, then spend the token on a sensor cluster to turn a blank into an evade too. Throw in autothrusters and he can theoretically conjure three evades from two blanks and an eyeball at range 3.

Of course, the problem is that his ability is absolutely crippled by Hotshot Copilot.

Of course, the problem is that his ability is absolutely crippled by Hotshot Copilot.

An upgrade I expect to see cropping up a fair bit from now on. It's synergy with Juke and (to a lesser extent) Sensor Jammer makes it worth taking even before we consider the implications of robbing an opponent of his tokens.

Still, every faction already included a pilot who could mess up Focus-Poecus so this is something Poe has always had to live with. HSCP simply allows you to bolt that ability onto different ships.

He's definitely going to have to live with it a lot more often since HSCP arrived. Chances are that Kylo Ren will lead to an upsurge in HSCP/Gunner/Kylo Decimators, even among more casual players.

He's definitely going to have to live with it a lot more often since HSCP arrived. Chances are that Kylo Ren will lead to an upsurge in HSCP/Gunner/Kylo Decimators, even among more casual players.

I'd be so wary about not having Isard, though...