Let me set the scene it's Poe vs an x7 delta, poes got bb8 predator giving him two rerolls and IA the defender only has the title and both are down a shield.

On paper the rebel ace should have this he's got ps modifications and repositioning so I figure it's a loss but I'm gonna go out fighting what follows blew my mind.

We are facing each other I go three forward for the evade he swoops in and gets into range one I figure this won't take long, he rolls three hits I evade two and spend a token, I wipe the sweat from my brow and return fire with focus I get three hits of my own and strip his remaining shields.

My friend looks put out but he's still got all the advantage on paper so I break off and go for another pass, again he shoots and gets three solid hits which with focus and evade tokens I ignore, I get a hit and a crit but only the crit lands, direct hit that he discards with IA.

So now comes the last round of combat we dive at each other guns blazingly he only gets one hit despite his ability which I evade effortlessly I then blow him away.

So yeah with every advantage he didn't do a single point of damage and I see why other bad mouth him now.

Sounds like a poorly constructed and flown Poe. For just 2 points more, he could have LW, R5P9 and AT. Then Poe stays at range, and can change a blank to an evade, reroll a second one, convert a F to E, and then regen a shield. So literally the only way to do LASTING damage (post shield regen) is for him to blank out on all 3 dice PLUS the LW reroll, which is a 2% chance.

It's sad that Poe doesn't jive well with his own BB-8 droid.

PS. Poe doesn't want to exchange R1 shots, at least in the standard build. He's much more likely to take lasting damage that way.

Welcome to the faction imbalance. Rebels can't have nice things

Welcome to the faction imbalance. Rebels can't have nice things

Except for when they ALWAYS had the best things, and just fell behind in Wave 8.

...suck it, Rebel Scum.

Ummm...why is Poe flying with BB-8 and jousting a TIE Defender?! Good grief, the whole POINT of BB-8 is that he dodges out of your arc after you've moved, so you never get to shoot him...

And this is why Poe without a regen droid has never been seen in high level competitive play.

Its poorly built Poe what sucks

I've been in an x7 end game scenario with a proper Regen Poe

What happens is pascist-wing,ie the perfect rendition of the utter futility of violence BECAUSE NO ONE EVER TAKES DAMAGE

It's a goddamn nightmare but its balanced (except Poe wins on points)

Also, because ARCs, I've been in the same exact endgame scenario with r2d2 norra and it is

The

Exact

Same

Thing

Just yesterday I had a riveting game of 3 x7s versus 3 ARCs (Biggs is an honorary ARC)

ONE HOUR AND 15 MINUTES later, the first x7 died

And then Biggs

Turns out fully modified offense v fully modified defense is as much a wash as barely modified offense v barely modified defense

Ummm...why is Poe flying with BB-8 and jousting a TIE Defender?! Good grief, the whole POINT of BB-8 is that he dodges out of your arc after you've moved, so you never get to shoot him...

Also this. If BB-8 Poe does ever make the jump, it will be because of high level flying making up for the loss of regen. Sounds like the scenario you pointed out was piloting error.

Yea 1v1 where you're both in arc each round, it's almost unfair. You're both rolling 3 reds, but delta has more green dice. Delta has better economy with evade from title plus a focus. To top it off, the delta is even cheaper. Especially with a BB8/predator costs in there

And this is why Poe without a regen droid has never been seen in high level competitive play.

I think that once PS9 Poe come out, he'll actually be a crazy good ace with BB-8 Droid, PtL, Black One title, and Autothrusters.

...of course, once you pay for all that he'll be at 41pts, before tech upgrade slot or initiative bid so...you know, just the cost of a lightly kitted out Ghost, no big deal. Just as good as 35pt Soontir with Palp over in the shuttle for support, right?

...haha...sorry Rebels, tough break.

This is just like that great wall-of-text post from a few days ago about how "arc doger" and "jouster" are contextual, not absolutes. In this situation, the x7 Delta was the jouster and Poe was the arc dodger. The Poe player failed to arc dodge, so he lost.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/228306-an-alternative-look-at-arc-dodgers-and-jousters/

Nah ps 9 Poe is doa

He is utterly redundant and adds nothing new to the game

Black One looks cool but without Regen you'll just get chipped to death

And not to be off-topic as this is actually the case, but the ARC is the best bb8 platform in existence atm (never have to shut off bb8 due to auxiliary arc) and it'll NEVER see bb8 play because they're simply too frail without r2d2

Or, without norra, they tend to bounce off of evade tokens even with Tail gunner

Bb8 is a great droid but sadly dice and damage mitigation don't make the best case for him.

You were expecting better from a Wedge rehash to justify a new character? Oh, you meant the card.

Poe could be priced 3 points cheaper if regen droids didn't exist.

In this alternate reality, R2D2 and R5P9 would both cost +2 points.

PS9 Poe with BB-8, PTL will be so cool. 40 points is a dealbreaker though.

You can always fly Poe in casual games, amirite

Yeah, that Poe should never have jousted an x7 Defender. To be fair, I'm not even sure a x7 Defender should try jousting another x7, getting out of their arc while keeping them in arc always feels even better.

If you're going BB-8, Push the limit makes way more sense to me, it gives a focus and whatever other action you feel like taking (plus the BB-8 barrel roll).

Ummm...why is Poe flying with BB-8 and jousting a TIE Defender?! Good grief, the whole POINT of BB-8 is that he dodges out of your arc after you've moved, so you never get to shoot him...

this.

I would say it's less that Poe sucks and more that the defender is just really good. It's not easy to get past a tokened up imperial ship, and the defender hits just as hard as Poe does. It's the perfect jouster, which is why you shouldn't be jousting it. The only way Poe could have won that would have been to arc dodge for several rounds in a row until some damage got pushed through. I'm a little surprised between bb8 and boost that wasn't a thing.

Anyway, Poe without regen (or corran or Nora for that matter) is really nothing special for how much he costs.

Poe is literally nothing but another rebel regen ship. I havent been able to find any viable use for him outside regen, his ability is just so pathetic unless you have a reason to keep a focus - i.e. regen. Better than Luke at least but still pretty stupid.

I get far, far more use out of Ello Asty than i do Poe. The shenanigans you can do with white troll moves...juicy

Poe is not great. No matter the construction of his build. He is underwhelming at best. He was very good in the stress meta because people were stressed and couldn't do much against his offense as a late game ace. Add in Wave 8 and soon Wave 9 and he just doesn't stack up to what's available. It makes me sad because I really enjoyed flying him with Miranda, but the environment just isn't conducive to him at this time.

Miranda is the primo Rebel Regen ship of choice. No arc restrictions, no blind spots, can regen even when she bumps, can use Bombs, Alpha Strike Torpedoes, or any number of crew tricks...she's versatile as bananas. Trouble is, if you load her up with any tricks she ends up being 40pts at least, and then it's hard to match the efficiency of a 31pt Inquisitor or a 35pt Soontir, or a TIE Defender, who have the added benefit or probably having Palpatine somewhere in the list.

Plus, then all the other ships in your list are Rebels too, and nobody wants that.

Poe with R5-P9/AT/VI has been a staple of the Rebels for a while. He wouldn't have been in every other list if he sucked.

I personally love flying him with BB-8/PTL/AT. You can joust or arc dodge as needed. Trying to out joust a x7 Defender isn't gonna end pretty. You gotta play smart.

I agree with most of the other posters. The problem in this scenario isn't that poe sucks. the problem is the defender is a better jouster and poe was built here to arc dodge, and didn't. I mean what did you guys expect?

This is a situation where two players didn't understand the strategies of the game, and wanna blame balance, or weakness of the cards. Thats not the case at all here.

ummmm..ya that non-regen Poe should not be picking fights with ships that have 3 natural attack die. He built and flew Poe all wrong.

You were expecting better from a Wedge rehash to justify a new character? Oh, you meant the card.

I don't understand this. Wedge and Poe are nothing alike in the films outside of filling an "ace pilot" role.

Wedge has, quite literally, no personality. He is a name and a face attached to a few piloting feats during the three films. Even his "Wow-ee, that got him" line when he trips the AT-AT is delivered with so little human emotion and enthusiasm you'd have to think Wedge might actually be a robot....expect we've seen droids in Star Wars and they have a ton of personality (e.g. Threepio).

Poe , while also an "ace pilot" at least has some personality. He's cocky and confident with a sense of humor. I couldn't describe Wedge's personality with any characteristics other than "stoic."