So here is a bit of a gem in hiding that I've been flying with pretty good success.

2x Hired Gun w/ ICT + UA + BL

Drea w/ ABT + UA + Plas + GC

N'Dru w/ LW + ID

Total: 100

Another variation can be achieved by dropping Plasma to Flechette, and nixing the Z's dampeners. This frees up two points for (You guessed it) TLTs on the Hired Guns.

Lemme share why I like this list.

1: It's tough. Three Y-Wings can take a lot of damage, and two can take even more punishment when your opponent freaks out on either Drea or N'Dru. It just seems like a long painful slog through the hull for the other player after awhile.

2: Unhinged Y's are freaking sexy.

3: Drea and N'Dru. Drea is a fire magnet, and when she gets to hang around for awhile and use her toys she performs admirably. N'Dru, well I stole the idea from a friend and decided IDs would be a great way to troll people with that pilot ability.

I know ICTs are no good against large base ships, but I think you just need to focus fire and work that PS advantage when you can. Otherwise you could always go for TLT. I myself am of the opinion that it's easier to bump and nudge around in the R1 bubble than it is to skirt R3, so I feel like the ICTs have a edge there.

Man, give me three dorsal turrets though and I'll rock 3x BTL-A4 all goddamn day!

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

Actually, he called you uneducated in reporting and gave you an advice. And he has a point.

Not everyone should be expected to know what abbreviations mean, especially a newcomer looking for information. And pretty much everyone will have to take a couple of (unneeded) seconds to figure out what you're talking about.

On the squad itself, I fail to see where you're having success and am not pretty sure if this is a "want input" or a "how cool is this" topic. So, I'll just end it with: if you're having fun with it, that's what matters.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

No I didn't, please read again. And I don't like how you are twisting facts. Trying to win people for your matter by fabricating an insult by me is a dangerous attitude and bad way of leading a discussion

To topic:

List looks like fun. But for me 1 ordnance shot with Drea is not worth the points. Give her TLT with B11 astromech (or at least latter). Too much Ion cannons looks not viable either. There is no need of PS4 pilots when they have no ordnance against triple jumpmaster lists. And I don't know what "BL" is.

It took me three parsings to reinterpret "BL" to "BTL title, I guess, for the oldschool Ionhog?" instead of "What the heck is he doing with Bomb Loadout on a ship with no bombs, that's just obtuse".

Acronyms can be handy, for sure. But if you're going to be aggressive with them, it pays to stick to the standard nomenclature.

List itself? Oldschool, but similar to lists I enjoyed back in the day. You'll find it hard to keep N'dru clear of that many ships, and none of them have repositioning (or even particuarly tight turns) so keeping his buffs up while letting him still contribute to the fight is likely to be, shall we say, a challenge, and you'll also find that if you face a Uboat list, Y-wings have a worrying tendency to evaporate at Range 3. You can't even shoot back with half your list at range 3. Or reposition. Or... yeah. Combined with being four jousters... well, if you have a good game, Aces will sweat. Mess up, and they'll dance around your guns and all shall be woe and misery.

Given I can't speak to your skill in positioning, that last caveat is a warning rather than condemnation... but be very sure of your skill in positioning.

Oh, BL = BTL-A4. What is ID?

Oh, BL = BTL-A4. What is ID?

BL was actually Bomb Loadout. BTL-A4 would have made more sense, but Darkcloak said it was Bomb Loadout in another thread.

ID is probably inertial dampeners. Good times? Good times.

Are you sure BL = bomb loadout? He doesn't have any bombs? BTL-A4 seems more likely.

Inertial Dampeners makes sense; I hadn't thought of those. I was looking through the missiles.

Nope. It's Bomb Loadout.

My neat Scum list runs Bomb Loadout on the Hired Guns. Why not?

This is from a thread on the main page where he was explicit.

Ok. Weird. :shrug:

Oh, BL = BTL-A4. What is ID?

BL was actually Bomb Loadout. BTL-A4 would have made more sense, but Darkcloak said it was Bomb Loadout in another thread.

ID is probably inertial dampeners. Good times? Good times.

It is good times! I use the IDs when I feel like it's going to keep my in a good spot and to be honest, it's like LW training wheels for me since I can never seem to make that one work. Plus the ability to stop N'Dru can be really effective at controlling the range of the game as a whole. You see if people go after N'Dru then the Y-Wings have trouble chasing down whoever went after him. If Drea is alive at that point then she suffers even more since ABT is R1 and Y-Wing primaries aren't awesome. Yet if N'Dru just stops? Well... Then those Y-Wings don't have to go very far to catch up.

Also, I had experimented with the fancy droid (R4B11) and I found that even with UA I didn't like stacking a whole bunch of stress on Drea. The ordnance is a cheap alternative and it allows the points for N'Dru to join in the fun as well. Before I had run the Z as a blocker and wasn't very impressed.

Heheh, BTL-A4... No, I think if I were to try that I'd want the Dorsal Turret. I know, it's the same range problem, but hell at R3 you're hard pressed to hit any Aces anyways. Also, maybe once Vectored Thrusters (another new card) comes out I'll be more inclined towards the title.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

I don't think he talked to anyone but you.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

I don't think he talked to anyone but you.

Implying that we're all too dumb to know what abbreviations mean. Readers don't really have to work through anything. It's a pretty logical way to shorten long upgrade card names and we all do it. But hey, it's fine, let's just continue to post irrelevant replies from our high chairs.

Please can you take the time and just once define your abbreviations? You save seconds for yourself, but readers have to work through your cryptic letters.

You kind of just called everyone an idiot. I hope you realize that.

I don't think he talked to anyone but you.

Implying that we're all too dumb to know what abbreviations mean. Readers don't really have to work through anything. It's a pretty logical way to shorten long upgrade card names and we all do it. But hey, it's fine, let's just continue to post irrelevant replies from our high chairs.

That was not implied at all. In a paper scientist are not required to write once the full meaning of every abbreviation, because it is assumed that their peer reviewers are dumb, but because it is easier that way for everyone. If it is easier that way for everyone, it is not only logical to do so, but as well polite. And I am not implying anything with that either, I am just making a statement.

Furthermore 'half' your abbreviations seem to be made up by you and not common standards in this forum either. I don't think I have ever seen someone use ICT for an ion turret either, nor have I ever seen someone shortcut the T in BTL. Though usually plasma torpedos are just given as pt ;-)

Anyway, I think I got what you meant, and I think the list is not in the very competitive. It lack damage and mobility against scouts, aces just arc dodge the slow bricks with their ions, Renthal is a neat idea, almost as good as a contracted scout, but not even remotely comparable in the quality of the dial and after a single shot even more useless because that range 1 turret is not gonna to shoot much, not on that dial even with a unhinged astromech.

Um, nope. It's still a Bomb Loadout on them Hired Guns. They're there for fun. It's supposed to be fun...

That being said I seem to win with it more often than not. Drea is really only there to pop her ordnance and make life sad for people like Soontir. It seems so easy to dodge around R3, but in practice it's pretty hard to do unless you have both Boost and BR. ABT seems easy to mitigate, but when you're blocked in by two other Y-Wings? Drea gets her own back just fine and if she gets shot down first, then N'Dru swoops in and does his thing instead.

hahaha.. This thread is so much win